User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick/archive 1

Welcome here. I just figured out a better monobook layout for the wiki. Castaway2000 (talk) 05:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Is that why it's suddenly green? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:20, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah. It's better this way, in my opinion. I was tryign to change the bright yellow quickly Castaway2000 (talk) 05:23, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Welcome
Welcome to the wiki Doc Results May Vary (talk) 00:50, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ya Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:50, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I wonder if Doomhiker is going to join. I told him about triforce wiki but he hasnt responded. Maybe he's upset zelda archive was closed off to editing? Results May Vary (talk) 00:54, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Re: Forking

 * What do you mean by that? I moved the content off zelda.shoutwiki.com entirely. The whole site is off, and all the content not from hylian pi on zelda archive is preserved here. He gave me the pages and images to preserve here Results May Vary (talk) 01:43, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, hylian pi created those, so i didnt move them off, since he wants to keep zelda archive up as a personal project Results May Vary (talk) 01:49, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Re: Zoras
I'll go move it back then Results May Vary (talk) 02:50, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Since when was naming Canon?
https://zelda.gamepedia.com/2nd_Potion See the notes section: "This item is also referred to as the Water of Life in the manual.[2] However, because the term in the game itself take precedence over it, this term is not considered Canon." ... Results May Vary (talk) 22:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Special:WhosOnline
Hi, I added a Special:WhosOnline on recent changes, just like the one Mario Wiki has (porplemontage helped get it working) Results May Vary (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

2nd Potion / Life Potion
Should they be the same or separate articles? I cant seem to decide Results May Vary (talk) 20:13, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, so then do we merge them under a single entry on The Legend of Zelda article? I think they're called Water of Life in the later games Results May Vary (talk) 20:17, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The Zelda Collection guide lists it as Water of Life as well as the manual. I'd personally just merge them under Water of Life... Here's some links to some Zelda pdf guides--i've saved some in case the original link goes down: https://archive.org/search.php?query=zelda%20guide Results May Vary (talk) 20:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

OoT GCN?
Hi, if we were to make a title for Ocarina of Time Master Quest (as a disc), what should we name it? It's already really confusing trying to distinguish between Master Quest as a mode and the disc itself... Results May Vary (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Opinion on Zelda Archive
Hi Doc, what's your opinion on Zelda Archive? Personally i didnt like the gray layout or the MS paint feel to the site, and that hylian pi closed it to editors. That's why i went through all this effort to get this wiki up for everyone Results May Vary (talk) 01:19, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Also tbh, i'm glad that Zelda Wiki went to gamepedia, so it gives us a better opportunity to improve on what they got wrong, as in justification for starting a new wiki. Also, why does Zelda wiki have a blue background? Makes no sense Results May Vary (talk) 01:25, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Timeline..
Hi, so how would we go about the whole timeline controversy in the Zelda series? I'd personally not add all these "canon/non-canon" titles all over the wiki, especially since each game page can list the timeline that it falls under. Results May Vary (talk) 01:34, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

OoT Characters
I'm busy adding all the characters into the Ocarina of Time article. It's pretty confusing to try and find a good, convenient list of every minor character and how to best sort, organize the information (whether it's by shopkeeper, six sages, or non playable characters with few lines of dialogue). How would you do it personally? Results May Vary (talk) 16:19, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Gender removed
I removed the gender part as per your suggestion. As you've noticed on the wiki, I take in user suggestions on what to implement and what to remove; doesnt mean they're my boss :P. Results May Vary (talk) 23:54, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw. The "view recent changes" thing is nice for seeing when changes have been made without having to refresh constantly or expand the list hugely through auto-updating when a lot of similar changes are made in sequence. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:02, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Mario Wikia/FANDOM
have you ever been there? It's a pretty laughable wiki Results May Vary (talk) 05:06, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * First time I went there I was probably 10 or so and I was wondering "wait what even is this?" Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Re:Degu/Dig
That would make sense, considering Digdogger splits into smaller "Dogger" Unira (well, Mini Digdoggers), and most of the similarly-named enemies have a noticeable size difference. Although Degrock (Trinexx) doesn't appear to be that much bigger than Jeakrock (Helmasaur King), despite also apparently having the same Japanese prefix, and neither does the Digtitart / Big Manhandla from Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures (though the ordinary Testitart / Manhandla doesn't appear in those games to compare it properly). Maybe a translation note can be added along the lines of "the fictional degu is possibly a portmanteau of the Japanese deku and English big"? It's a lot better than having no explanation for it. LTL (talk) 14:14, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I guess that makes sense with Trinexx being the boss of Turtle Rock (on Death Mountain...with falling rocks), but then I'm not sure why else the Helmasaur King's Japanese name would be similar. Anyway, a glossary can work as long as editors are made sure to stick to observable facts about what the subjects have in common. LTL (talk) 04:33, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

How is the wiki?
How is Triforce Wiki working out for you? are you enjoying it? Results May Vary (talk) 22:48, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What's your favorite game franchise? Mine is Donkey Kong :P Results May Vary (talk) 00:15, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Link's gender needing citation
https://zelda.gamepedia.com/Link They added a citation to Link's gender to prove that he's a male. Also, the voice actors are listed on separate page, and a voice actor from an ALttP commercial one had me laughing: https://zelda.gamepedia.com/List_of_Voice_Actors#Other Results May Vary (talk) 00:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Inside_the_Deku_Tree "It is also the second dungeon to take place inside of a tree, the first being Level 1 of The Legend of Zelda. However, that dungeon was presumably a dead tree, so this dungeon is also the first to take place in a living being." I'm almost in the mood to start a bjaodn-y section at the moment Results May Vary (talk) 03:27, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah thats why i said I felt like it. i won't actually do it--it alrady doesnt look good that i'm laughing at some of their writing openly (like here). Results May Vary (talk) 04:08, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Re:Futubasha
It has a Nintendo copyright, so it would seem so. LTL (talk) 04:33, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Triforce Page Issue
Alright, problem fixed. I removed all references to the timeline. Thank you for pointing that out. ArchagentEverlasting (talk) 8:15, 17 May 2019 (PST)

Re: Palettes
Alright, sorry about that "variant" mistake, Doc. Thank you for teaching me things as we go along--I thought the word to avoid was sub-species. Also, I ddint know the Swordsmen and Knights were the same character -- this is exactly the reason why I've been needing help on this project, as even i'm confused with names, especially of the earlier games (since there was less media to refer to official names).

On a sidenote, do you like the Bot page? I worked hard at it Results May Vary (talk) 00:01, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Crash Wiki?
Hi Doc, just letting you know I can possibly afford a domain to host an independent Crash Bandicoot wiki for you. Would you like for me to buy it? Results May Vary (talk) 22:02, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Save your money for what you need it for. Right now I'm looking for a Summer job, and don't know if I could juggle that as well. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:43, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I just went ahead and bought the crashbandicootwiki.com domain, and the spyrowiki.com domain. I'll see what i can do with both.. Also, nice that we have 64 articles now haha Results May Vary (talk) 01:04, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh my. Heh. I'm currently weathering a rather rough bit of a storm, it kept me offline a lot yesterday. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:52, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Here is the first page of Crash Bandicoot Wiki: https://crashbandicootwiki.com/wiki/Crash_Bandicoot_(franchise) . Earlier today i worked on the design & reused the background image from April Fools 2017 "The Wumpa Fruit". Racing/Party games to be added (as well as cancelled & mobile games) Results May Vary (talk) 02:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Re:Acheman
Yep, the name "Acheman" can be found in Nintendo Power Volume 4, page 22 (incidentally, the same page uses "Moblin" instead of "Molblin" and "Octarok" instead of "Octorok"). LTL (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Re:Dark Black Shadow Link's shadow
I guess it depends on if you consider the Shadow/Dark Links to be incarnations of the same character concept or not. I was initially thinking of two articles: one for Dark Link as a single character (as in Zelda II and Ocarina of Time) and another for Shadow Link as several copies (as in Oracle of Ages and Four Swords Adventures). The rationale there would be that the former is usually suggested to be the manifestation of Link's dark side and the latter are usually depicted as more general clones. Even then, it isn't a perfect solution because the Shadow Links in A Link Between Worlds are fought with a Zelda II palace remix in a clear homage to the original one, and it's not clear if the Links in A Link to the Past/Four Swords are Shadow Links or Dark Link using the Four Sword, which sort of blends both ideas together. That, and NES Remix 2 refers to the Zelda II one as Shadow Link (though it's Link's Shadow in the NES Game Atlas) and Hyrule Warriors refers to them as Dark Links, so the names would have some overlap. Overall, the simplest solution would be to treat the Shadow Link article as we do the Link article. LTL (talk) 15:35, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Big Blin is Oyablin (オヤブリン), but Stone Blin / Boss Blin is "Oyabun" (オヤブン). LTL (talk) 08:46, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Re:Lost Hills
It seems it was originally unnamed since it comes from the Maps and Strategies foldout that came with the NES version, which did not come with the original Disk System release. Supporting this, an old man mentions the Lost Woods ("Forest of Maze"), but the Lost Hills is only referred to as the "mountain" in the hint for it. Additionally, the guides don't appear to have a special name for it. However, there was an equivalent for the Family Computer re-release, and the overworld map location reads 「まよいの丘 」 (Mayoi no Oka), which is likely a reverse-translation. LTL (talk) 08:46, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Checking that in the Switch version would be as simple as changing the system language, but I found list of locations here. Looks like none of them are Tabantha Wilds (タバンタ秘境). LTL (talk) 00:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Dodongo Snake
Here's something that may be of interest: in the Japanese Link's Awakening guides, the name of this creature is Dodongo, but in concept artwork released in Hyrule Historia, it's. LTL (talk) 08:46, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Re:Eyegore Statue
There's some crossover, but I'm leaning slightly towards distinguishing them to offer a more unique interpretation. I'd say Eyegore Statue refers to the hopping ones from Four Swords and The Minish Cap, and Four Swords Adventures' Eyegore, while resembling them, nonetheless has a different design and don't seem to be stone statues. The decorative statues from A Link to the Past don't seem to be living statues (seikizō), so I wouldn't say they would count either. LTL (talk) 00:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Refresh my memory - what were the Eyegores/statues like in the Oracle games? LTL (talk) 19:00, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I see, though I'm not sure if they were really meant to be Eyegores. If you want to make a third (maybe part conjecture) article for miscellaneous Eyegore-like statues, would "Rocklops statue" from page 123 of the A Link to the Past Nintendo Power guide work? LTL (talk) 00:00, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The Link's Awakening statues are listed as "EYE GUARDS" on page 101 of the Nintendo Power guide, but just a "statue" in a hint in the DX version. It's also plainly described as a statue on page 80 and even has artwork that more closely resembles the original Eyegore (which is on Zeldapedia's page), although the text underneath describes the Hinox miniboss. I don't know if they were initially meant to be the same thing, but the Eyegores in A Link Between Worlds have a similar design to the Link's Awakening statue sprite and Eyegores are apparently known as Eye Guards in the A Link to the Past/Four Swords Player's Guide, so I think it's safe to group them together since the naming inconsistency is probably in part due to real Rocklops/Eyegores not appearing in Link's Awakening. In terms of Japanese guides, the Rocklops statue is referred to as 「アイゴールの像」 (Aigōru no zō, Eyegore statue) on page 101 of the second part of the Kamigami no Triforce Shogakukan guide, and it doesn't seem to have a special name in Yume o Miru Shima guides. I don't have any real preference how the subject is split, but it at least looks like differentiation exists between the statues and the real ones, with the statues themselves having variance and being less clear. LTL (talk) 16:45, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That settles the Oracle name, though yes, it seems like it's more for specific behavior. There are the lines "The Eye of Deceit won't affect you, Link. I'm sure of it!?" and "I heard there's a terrible trap called the Eye of Deceit..." that only appear in the Oracle of Ages text dump, but I don't know the context they're in. The Oracles of Seasons/Ages Nintendo Power guide calls them either "statues" or "eye statues". Also, I remembered I have the Four Swords Adventures Nintendo Power guide, so I checked it. They're named "Eyegores" but described as "statues" on both pages 71 and 72. So it seems like at some point, it became rather nebulous. About the Zelda Wiki / Zeldapedia, I figured that would happen sooner or later since, from what I've been able to gather, the goal of Wikia's buyout of Gamepedia is to eventually merge them under FANDOM. While the post does claim that a full merge won't happen, the fact that it's being entertained looks like Zelda Wiki is (maybe forcibly) sticking with Gamepedia and abandoning the principles of NIWA, so their honorary position as part of it should be put under serious question once merging starts happening. If the only thing Mario Wiki has in common with Zelda Wiki anymore is that Dark Horse copied from them, I believe that should be the point to have to disassociate. As an aside, while I completely agree that a fresh start is the best way to ensure quality, I'm worried that the name "Triforce Wiki" just won't be able to compete with Zelda Wiki. Once we get some momentum going, I think Results May Vary‎ should rebrand the wiki as "The Legend of Zelda Wiki" or something along those lines. It does have the zeldawiki.info domain name, and a similar name didn't stop Wikia's Mario Wiki. As long as it gets the Zelda series name in there, it should attract the search results needed to help secure its future. LTL (talk) 00:01, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The names in the Oracle of Seasons/Ages guide are generic, but they're just "statues" the vast majority of the time, with "one-eyed statues" used twice and "eye statues" used once to refer to the "Eyes of Deceit" leading up to Twinrova. The specific names aren't perfect either, since apparently "Eye Guard" from Link's Awakening directly refers to the fireball-shooting one and the "Eye of Deceit" directly refers to the Room of Rites variant. I guess, if we're going by in-game naming, Eye of Deceit would be the closest one for a separate article. By the way, any idea why it would only be mentioned in the Oracle of Ages text dump and not the Oracle of Seasons one? Is it possibly an oversight caused by the fact that it's in the linked game? LTL (talk) 03:49, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Fire Bago-Bago
As far as I can tell, the only source for the name "Fire Bago-Bago" is The Legend of Zelda: Encyclopedia. What do you think should be done there? LTL (talk) 00:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 「ファイア・バゴバゴ」 I believe, but I'd be in favor of keeping it with Bago-Bago since we don't know if NintendoDREAM made it up. LTL (talk) 19:00, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Naming Hierarchy Policy
Hi, I'm thinking of making a naming hierarchy policy that's the same as how Mario Wiki does it. What should I include in it? Results May Vary (talk) 18:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Re:Source tier
Mario Wiki's current source priority does list in-game and manuals at the same level, but in actuality, in-game text is a tier above game manuals. It was an admin decision, and it also states that "the game's version takes precedence" in cases where there is an inconsistency with the manual. That's just assuming the policy still applies here since we have a chance to do stick to it or deviate from it, but that's up to rmv, though the aim of Triforce Wiki is to have a Zelda wiki in the same style as I understand it. In regards to the name itself, I'm referencing online text dumps and videos to read the script quickly and it's "Skeleton Knight" in both the SNES and GBA versions. The GBA version revised much of the text to be more accurate including some of the telepaths, so if there was an error, there was an opportunity to change it Stalfos Knight, which is left out of the GBA manual. For what it's worth, Zelda Wiki also makes note of Skeleton Knight but, because of Art & Artifacts, "any other term is not considered Canon." LTL (talk) 19:00, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, the second name comes from the equivalent Japanese line (interestingly, the same change from kenshi to knight was also made in The Adventure of Link in-game). I disagree, though - while Nintendo has never done a full-on Zelda retranslation, they still correct obvious inconsistencies in re-releases (e.g. Prince Darkness "Gannon", eastmost penninsula, the flute, seven wise men, etc.). Another thing about prioritizing a manual over the game is that the original manuals tend to not get re-released with their games, and when new manuals are made, it will sometimes include its own corrections (like removing Ganondorf Dragmire and Mandrag Ganon). Unless they look up a wiki (as we know Dark Horse does), most players are increasingly going to know the names from their own playthrough over a publication. Overall, my opinion is that I don't see a reason to change up the way article titles are done in this series. But as I say: that's up to rmv. LTL (talk) 00:00, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but the fact remains that the phrase is interpreted as a name in localization. How about this: do we know which name is used in the A Link to the Past/Four Swords Nintendo Power guide? I imagine that would be the most reliable recent source to use. LTL (talk) 16:45, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the Nintendo Badge Arcade badges are untitled, but I could be wrong. The Oracle of Seasons/Ages Nintendo Power guide refers to the blue Stalfos enemies are referred to as "Stalfos Knights" (on page 111). The A Link to the Past Nintendo Power guide also refers to the enemy and boss Armos as "Armos Knight" and doesn't mention Stalfos by name. My take from this is that "Stalfos Knight" may have just been a brief relocalization attempt like Armos Knight before it was dropped rather than an intentional retranslation of Stalfon. LTL (talk) 03:49, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * So I'm playing through Cadence of Hyrule, and the names of enemies are listed when you get a Game Over by them (maybe there's somewhere else they show up later like a bestiary). There are normal Stalfos that lose their shield when hit once, but there are also heavily-armored Stalfos that seem to act as rarer enemies or minibosses. This type of Stalfos is called "Stalfos Knight", so case closed, right? Well, here's the kicker: the game also has a handy option to change your language setting like many other Switch games, and in the Japanese version, it's called 「スタルフォスナイト」 (Sutarufosu Naito) instead of the usual Japanese name for it. Given the new design and the fact that Stalfos also have new varieties for the game (Stalfos Gel, Stalfos Mage, Stalfos Rider...), I have a hunch the developers weren't aware of the previous knights. So, as I see it, this can go one of two ways: we can either make Stalfos Knight (from Cadence of Hyrule) a separate article from Skeleton Knight, or keep them together and rename Skeleton Knight to Stalfos Knight. LTL (talk) 21:23, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep, it came out yesterday. I'm playing through and taking my own pictures so I can maybe upload them for later. Some people have already beaten it, but I'm going at my own pace (also because I'm not used to the combat system) . The Stalfos Knights in this game look more like souped-up Parutamu than the established ones (I don't believe they show up in the trailers so you may be thinking of the Stalfos with shields), and as for other names, I've noted so far that the ones for Pengator, Skullfish and White Wolfos are the same as the usual Japanese ones (Ice Wizzrobe is 「アイスウィズローブ」 (Aisu Wizurōbu) instead of 「アイスローブ」 (Aisurōbu), but that's apparently its name in newer games like Breath of the Wild), and the simultaneous built-in localizations tell me that the team worked worked closely with Nintendo to keep things in check. It's a bit of a hassle to have to switch the language before every Game Over, but I'll be mindful to do it when I come across something that might be interesting. I'll keep a lookout for Darknut / Iron Knuckle. LTL (talk) 22:38, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay yeah, that's the one that the game refers to as Stalfos Knight. LTL (talk) 23:20, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I should also note that the way to fight them is actually inverse of the version of the knights from A Link to the Past: you can (must?) place a bomb to make it crumble, then attack its fallen form, although the head is still floating around as an enemy and is known as a "Stalfos Knight Head" (スタルフォスナイトヘッド). Also, enemy Zoras have a new name here: "Evil Zora" (川ゾーラ, "River Zora"). LTL (talk) 23:57, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That works given the behavioral similarity (I can confirm that you actually don't need a bomb to weaken or destroy them, you just need to hit their side at least, though it helps because their head is frantic, shoots lasers and is actually invincible since it returns to its body when it loses HP), but the helmet seems to be a new design element. Several of the game's enemies also have color variants, and most of them are generically-named: Stalfos Knight and its head are simply "Black Stalfos Knight" (スタルフォスナイト（黒）) and "Black Stalfos Knight Head" (スタルフォスナイトヘッド（黒）). There are also red Zoras, which I was hoping were the game's equivalent of Kū but are called "Eviler Zora" (川ゾーラ（強）, "River Zora (strong)"). Interesting thing about the Zoras was more that the Japanese name is referencing Oracle of Ages despite sea Zoras being absent (the friendly Zoras more closely resemble the typical enemy design); the Zora's Sapphire symbol is shown on enemy camps where there's a Zora present so I'm pretty sure they're still intertwined anyway. About the Shrouded Stalfos, that must be the "Stalfos Mage" (マジックスタルフォス, "Magic Stalfos"), which is one of the new varieties. I did spot the Darknuts and Iron Knuckles, which I think marks the first time they coexist in the same game. In Japanese, Darknuts are known as Tartnuc (タートナック) and Iron Knuckles are known as Ironnuc (アイアンナック), so it's business as usual (even if it weren't, the name "Darknut" might not be totally unknown in Japan since it's used as internal names in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Hyrule Warriors, oddly enough). Both have black variants: Darknut's is "Black Darknut" (タートナック（黒）) and Iron Knuckle's is "Iron Knuckle Chieftain" (アイアンナック（首領）). I'll mention some other things I've noted in my playthrough. Shadow Link (シャドウリンク) appears as a type of miniboss, with a pale skin tone design, and there is a new Shadow Zelda (シャドウゼルダ). The original Wall Master is back as "Wallmaster" (ウォールマスター), so the article may need to be readdressed as newer sources don't use a space. Eyeless Lava Bubbles, of all things, appear as an enemy under the name "Podoboo" (溶岩バブル, "Lava Bubble", presumably due to Zelda Bubbles appearing). Soldier enemies make an appearance and are now known as "Guards" (剣兵士, "Sword Soldier") of several colors, with the red ones known as "Sword Guards" (剣兵士（赤）, "Sword Soldier (red)") and "Bow Guards" (弓兵士) also appearing in green and blue varieties. The Ball and Chain Soldier appears as an enemy as well and is now known as a "Ball 'N Chain Guard" (鉄球兵士). Also, there's a "Guitar Guard" (ギター兵士) going with the game's theme, similar to the "Sonic Wizzrobe" (ソニックウィズローブ). And we know now that it's supposed to be "Kargaroc" (カーゴロック), not Kargarok. The Cane of Somaria is in, and in Japanese, it's back to its original name instead of the "Somasoa" one from the Four Swords edition. Overall, I didn't notice any glaring misrepresentations; the closest (besides the Japanese names of Electric Wizzrobe and Electric Keese, which are just newer names anyway) is that the Red Potion is now called the "Health Potion", but Japanese uses the usual name (赤いクスリ). In terms of the game's actual writing, the credits mentions English and Japanese writers at Brace Yourself Games and Spike Chunsoft, with Nintendo handling the localization to other languages and even having an "English Translation" credit (no mention of a Japanese translation so it seems co-written). LTL (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Supposedly, Nintendo of America at the time had more involvement with the CD-i games than they'd care to admit, but I'm not sure if that rumor is true. Also, a small addendum: I think the red "Sword Guards" (剣兵士（赤）) are meant to be the "base version" of the enemy in this game even though they seem rarer since they lack the shields of the "Green Guards" (剣兵士（緑）) and "Blue Guards" (剣兵士（青）), which would explain why the Japanese names are more clearly connected. No sign of the dagger, spear, or bomb versions from what I can tell. LTL (talk) 23:48, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Stalfos Knight seems more or less resolved thanks to Cadence of Hyrule, but I did recently get my hands on The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past/Four Swords Player's Guide, and interestingly, it actually does refer to them as Skeleton Knights throughout the Ice Palace coverage on pages 70, 72 and 73. On the subject of the source tier, should "Moldorm (A Link to the Past)" be renamed to "Mini-Moldorm" since it's the most recent guide form, there are already several Moldorm articles, and "Mini Moldorm" is fairly common and even in the A Link to the Past/Four Swords Player's Guide? Or should we leave it alone due to The Minish Cap? How about Moldorm/Swamola? LTL (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There was the Tail Key (along with Tale Keyhole and Tail Cave) in Link's Awakening that depicts a Mini Moldorm, so I wonder if it was a conscious translation in that game or if the translators overlooked the reference to the enemy. Regarding Monblin: I suppose so, though I don't know about the Ocarina of Time 3D Prima guide. LTL (talk) 23:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Least Favorite NIWA Wiki?
Is Zelda Wiki your least favorite NIWA wiki? What's your second least favorite, if that's in first? Results May Vary (talk) 01:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't reliably say, I mean I only go to like 2 of them. I go to Wikirby occasionally, but Kirby's FANDOM wiki is much more exhaustive. Smashwiki is probably on my lower liking, due to its orientation to a specific section of that franchise's fandom it is and how unfriendly the terminology it uses is to outsiders. How was 12-year-old me supposed to know what a "buff" or "nerf" was when I first visited? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:28, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, I've edited WiKirby before. It has over 3,000 article now, so it's definitely catching up to Kirby FANDOM, kind of like formidable rivals by this point Results May Vary (talk) 01:30, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Anything to get away from intrusive ads is good by me. The amount of different Nintendo franchises I play is surprisingly low. I only got into Zelda because I liked Link's Awakening DX on an online emulator years ago, after I had tried the first game. LA is so much more beginner-friendly. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:32, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The big problem with WiKirby for me is its default layout. I went as far as to develop a Monobook skin for them (which was successfully added), but the WiKirby Classic skin is just uncomfortable & hard to adapt to. It should be a secondary option, but sadly nobody was on board with that--at least people can decide to switch to Monobook on there, so. Also FANDOM is about more than just intrusive ads--there's them forcing changes on wikis without community input, which is definitely not good, among other things Results May Vary (talk) 01:35, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What even is "FANDOM?" Is it some sort of corporate enterprise? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:40, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No, Wikia's the company--they just renamed their eponymous Wikia service to FANDOM, in order to attract more traffic or become more social media-y or what knows what else Results May Vary (talk) 01:42, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Spruced Up the Place a Bit
Hi Doc, I spruced up the place a bit. I expanded upon the sidebar (based on super mario wiki's), added a Link icon next to the username, and expanded The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, even going as far to specify that Toon Link is only applicable to the Super Smash Bros. series (he is "Link" in the main series, including TWW, PH, and ST). Results May Vary (talk) 21:33, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw the Lunkhead sprite in the upper right (named him that in that ALBW playthrough I used to expand the info yesterday). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Tartnuc and Soldier
Interesting observation, but as far as the Kamigami to Triforce Shogakukan guide is concerned, they're soldiers. LTL (talk) 03:49, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Re:Moldorm vs. Moldworm
At this time, I can only confirm that they're 「モルドアーム」 in the Kamigami no Triforce Shogakukan guide, but that may be worth looking into since the name of one other enemy from the game, Kodongo, apparently had a minor change in the Four Swords version guide. LTL (talk) 22:38, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Re:Wall Master CDi
You can find issues here - it's in Dutch but they claim to be referencing English materials (oddly enough, one of them formats the Sakado boss as "Ironknuckle" and another as "Iron Knuckle", which didn't become the norm until Ocarina of Time). I don't know about the Wall Master variant or Sancromy, at least from the page I referenced. LTL (talk) 22:38, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Expandable option
Hi, Metalex thinks we could have an expandable option for the infoboxes, like in the Goron article. An example of something expandable is like with the Kremling Krew article on Super Mario Wiki. Results May Vary (talk) 05:08, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yup, I made that suggestion in an edit summary on the Zora page. I'd be curious if it could be made so the sections that would be expanded could be picked and chosen each time, so a section with 30 or so items is expandable while one with only 1 or 3 in the same infobox always shows all items. If it's not possible or just too much of a pain to do, don't worry about it, just curious. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:14, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Wait Mario Wiki always uses expandable? I'd only want expandable for very large lists. If theres no better option for the meantime, then i guess we'd have to use that expandable option for all Results May Vary (talk) 05:18, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That's not what I meant, I mean it's an all-or-nothing thing. If "expandable" is set to "yes," then every parameter that could conceivably need expandability in any context (for groups, for example, the members and member species, and for species, the notable members, derived species, and related species) get the show/hide function added to them, which can be bothersome if one section has 12 and another has only one. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:30, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

"Zelda Wiki"
In case you're wondering about all these "zelda wiki" terms i've been placing in pagetitle, main page, and such, it's to help with google search results. this isnt because i'm like FANDOM but it's so that the option is more out there, especially from having more distinction due to the closure of zeldapedia. Results May Vary (talk) 21:07, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Re:Nut and Knuckle relations
I think as far as The Adventure of Link goes, Iron Knuckle definitely started out as a substitute of Darknut and was basically the same thing in everything but name, but later appearances definitely gave them unique fighting styles and designs, with Darknuts being more typical sword-wielding knights and Iron Knuckles being heavily-armored ax-wielders or (in the case of Cadence of Hyrule) bare-fisted. Stalfon may be somewhat similar but it's still identifiably Stalfos and appears alongside them in the next game, whereas the same cannot be said of Darknut and Iron Knuckle. Plus, if we go into timeline shenanigans (as Ocarina of Time was written with the Imprisoning War in mind, A Link to the Past itself being a prequel to the NES era), it gets a bit loopy if the reader tries to determine enemy variants in a chronological sense, which can seemingly change at any time. Overall, it's probably safer to categorize it as a relative than a variant, and I was also thinking we maybe do the same for Wall Master / Wallmaster since they also never appear together in the same game. LTL (talk) 02:05, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Main page & community portal
Alright Doc, so I've added a community portal and main page to Triforce Wiki. As the other administrator, what do you think? Do you like how it looks? The news section is pretty barebones however, so hopefully we'll get that sorted out. Results May Vary (talk) 22:30, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Pretty good, I'd say. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:32, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Re:Cadence screenshots
Oh, I guess that's just how the Switch takes screenshots natively. LTL (talk) 18:28, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep, it's digital only, though I imagine a "definitive" physical release might happen later if the game gets a series of support updates (and it would seem like the game already anticipates that since it is labeled "v1.0.0" on the title screen). The game is a lot smaller than Super Mario Odyssey if you're curious though, at ~677MB compared to ~5.7GB. And I really shouldn't be surprised that TSR ripped into the graphics already, but that makes things more convenient. LTL (talk) 19:04, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Re:Ganon and Ganondorf's alternate forms
My rationale is similar to when there was a conscious effort to limit mentions of "derivatives of derivatives" on the Mario enemy pages, but yeah, the Breath of the Wild sequel might change our understanding of Calamity Ganon. LTL (talk) 23:27, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Messenger
Hey there. Mases here, from Zelda Dungeon. Do you use messenger at all. Discord, Skype, Slack, Facebook, or any other way to contact you to chat? Mases (talk) 06:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I have a Discord, but currently I'm exhausted from a long day of lawnwork (which will be resumed tomorrow. I have an enormous lawn.) Whatcha interested in talking about? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 06:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually I'd be interested in knowing your discord as well, doc. I know metalex123 wanted more direct communication with you as well Results May Vary (talk) 03:14, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd be willing, but I'd prefer to not post it in a publicly-visible place for probably-rather-arbitrary reasons. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 03:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Good point. I'll give you a hint where to find my handle: Super Mario Wiki Discord channel. I use the same username on Discord as here, Mario Wiki & elsewhere. Results May Vary (talk) 05:12, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ye, I haven't actually joined that yet either ^-^;; Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:23, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

One Away...
We are one article away from 100? what will the big 100th article be? :O Results May Vary (talk) 05:46, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm, regarding numbers like that, I think it would be appropriate to make a Rupee article. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 06:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * True, I was thinking of starting a Rupee article some time considering it's one of the major subjects without an article Results May Vary (talk) 06:14, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, I made it, but it still appears to say 99...? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 07:34, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sometimes the cache takes time to refresh. Should say 100 now Results May Vary (talk) 13:29, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure took a while, I refreshed a while after and even then it hadn't changed. It has now, though. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll probably ask porplemontage how the cache instantly refreshes on mariowiki.com Results May Vary (talk) 20:51, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Armos Knights
Doc, how would you go about making a page on Armos Knights? That's another confusing one Results May Vary (talk) 12:28, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Regarding dungeons of the same name - what about dungeons that are in completely different locations like Koholint Island's Turtle Rock, or dungeons that have the same name in certain languages like the Dark World's/Lorule's Dark Palace and Ocarina of Time's Shadow Temple having the same name in Japanese? LTL (talk) 18:40, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess if the Spirit Tracks versions of Hyrule and Hyrule Castle aren't split-worthy, then it's fair enough to extend that treatment to other places. However, about that Lost Woods example: in addition to technically having different spelling, "mayoi no mori" is already a stereotypical area in Japanese media (with the Mario franchise having at least three) that it's conceivable that "fushigi no mori" was created as a play on the phrase on two separate occasions. LTL (talk) 23:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Re:Soldiers vs Guards
If this were the Super Mario Wiki, I'd say that the naming policy tells us that the in-game versions take precedence, so we'd be using the recent spinoff to call them Guards. However, I'm still not sure if you want Triforce Wiki to stick to the same policies, so giving them the Soldier title might be preferable if you want more page consistency overall (with Guitar Guard being the odd one out). I'd say the colors, like other enemies, don't need to be split. I'll also add that English guides earlier than A Link Between Worlds only refer to them generally as soldiers, guards, or knights interchangeably (except for the Ball and Chain Trooper, presumably since it started out as sort of a miniboss). I'd say they should be split by weapon type since, unlike Moblins where the weapons can be somewhat game-dependent, the weapons have given them a reliable behavior and Japanese label. LTL (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe that's correct. LTL (talk) 23:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Break & Zelda Dungeon
I've been taking a break from editing here for a while because I'm busy with the DK Wiki merge. Also, I've been a bit worried about telling you this, but Zelda Dungeon wants to merge with us or vice versa (since both wikis dislike Zelda Wiki), and I know that you had reasons why you didn't like Zelda Dungeon. I also don't want to do what Zelda Wiki did and sell out to something (like Gamepedia) without consent from the community. That and the wiki just got hosted like 2 1/2 months ago. I'm actually trying to help them rebrand & fall more in line with Triforce Wiki's vision, as that's what they were willing to do. So yeah, please don't be upset at me. Like I said, I won't pull off anything without you, LTL, Doomhiker, and Archagent's permission. I gave them a list of changes they should make if Triforce ever does consider merging. Results May Vary (talk) 19:33, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Zelda Dungeon's fine, but I'm unsure of my feelings on a potential merge. I think they should be able to keep their neat artwork, I'd just like us to stick with official ones. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:13, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I actually merged all their fanart to one page, when i asked them, and removed them from mainspace: https://www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Zelda_Dungeon_Wiki:Fanart . Tbh, i don't like their fan transparency to images, which is what we are trying to avoid, but i doubt we'll come to a good conclusion on that... this is tough, i know, his whole reason for approaching us is because according to mases, they've been trying to catch up to Zelda Wiki for years now, and they think it would be more efficient if both wikis combine their resources. i myself am actually unsure about a merge myself Results May Vary (talk) 23:08, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm open to this idea currently, though I'd like to see what LTL thinks. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:19, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, though I am paranoid about this being an elaborate trick from them. Know what i mean? Results May Vary (talk) 23:20, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thaaaaat seems like a stretch. I'm cautious, but I don't think there's any ill will. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:27, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, me neither. I just know that me, you, archagent, LTL, and Doomhiker put real love & effort into the wiki. They have a GFDL license, and with all editors' input, they may change to CC BY SA (the license of Triforce Wiki). The name "Zelda Dungeon Wiki" doesnt sound universal enough actually, so thats why i asked if they could rebrand, maybe make their top navbar more condensed like Bulbapedia's. This would make sure that the connection to zelda dungeon isnt lost (they were a little concerned about that). I guess all this time, ZD Wiki has been casual alternative, but is now trying to be more serious, especially with recent wild, crazy events ongoing. Your thoughts? Results May Vary (talk) 23:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm honestly unsure, we need to surpass Gamepedia Zeldawiki at some point as they aren't doing their job, but we also need to make sure w keep our own quality up. Anyways, I need to go to the store, so I'll be AFK for a while. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:40, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The main concern for me is the quality of Zelda Dungeon's articles. Take the Marin page for example. Her page has the problem of citing every single piece of info that does not even need to be cited, it organizes her Link's Awakening appearance poorly, and the rest of her appearances are organized into "non-canon appearances" which is a major red flag. And her page is featured. We should note that our goal is not only to be an independent Zelda Wiki, but a high quality one. Doomhiker (talk) 00:08, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * In that case, it might be better to ask if anyone there instead wants to help expand our own wiki from here. Standards need kept, and if they want to distance from the Gamepedia Zelda Wiki, they need to have better ones than theirs. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:30, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's good that Doomhiker mentioned those points. I've checked around the wiki, and due to it being very casual, there was never much of an emphasis on a serious mariowiki-type wiki on their part. We don't want to lose this vision along the way -- we've definitely come a far way. Admittedly I see potential in this idea since it can theoretically help us be a stronger alternative, and so that there's less split in zelda wikis. At the moment a merge was just proposed -- I'm reminding again that i will not go forth with a content merge without them making some content quality changes, and without the final decision from everyone on Triforce Wiki. We are in this choice together Results May Vary (talk) 06:09, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Anyways, in that case, maybe a content merge would not be the best way to go, maybe just a further collaboration, which would also skip the need for any proposal-type thing to have to happen. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 06:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * These decisions really stress me Results May Vary (talk) 06:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm just gonna keep doing what I've been doing. By the way, I think the Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule article should be under "King Daphnes," as that is what he is consistently called throughout Hyrule Warriors. Admittedly, this is obviously so as to not flood the text field every time he does something, but it's still a thing. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 06:30, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Then should the King of Hyrule article be more about unnamed kings in general? My impression was that the king counted as a character incarnation (like Link, Zelda, Malon, Tingle, etc.). LTL (talk) 21:00, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Doomhiker brings up a good point, and I figure it's appropriate to add my two cents here as well. One of my concerns with the idea of merging besides possible incompatibilities with the direction and vision is, if a goal of Triforce Wiki is to eventually replace Zelda Wiki's NIWA spot which frankly should have been revoked as soon as Wikia successfully archived Zeldapedia but I digress, I'm not sure if Zelda Dungeon can realistically qualify as an independent wiki since it is apparently owned by a "Dungeon Gaming Enterprises" - so that is maybe worth taking into account. I'm not privy to any internal politics going on with NIWA besides the explanation that Zelda Wiki's position became "honorary" due to being a founding member, but I suspect that replacing them with their longest-running non-FANDOM rival would be a hard sell. I agree that a name like Zelda Dungeon Wiki gives the false first impression that it is more about dungeon walkthroughs or is even a subsidiary of Zelda Wiki and not instead about the series as a whole like what was properly conveyed here, and my informal experience has told me that websites that include a wiki never surpass dedicated wiki sites in popularity. I also can't help but feel a little suspicious because Triforce Wiki is rather small at the moment so I worry that a merge at our current size and numbers would probably look more like a dissolution. However, the decision is ultimately yours. I would like to see Triforce Wiki grow as I see potential in it (as I'm sure we do), but if you also feel like it is too troublesome to maintain, I completely understand if you choose to merge. And if you choose not to do it at least for now, perhaps some sort of friendly affiliate arrangement can still be worked out since we both see Gamepedia as our main competitor? LTL (talk) 21:00, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, I think probably the best thing to do is keep doing what we're doing, and if any individual editors from any other Zelda wiki want to help out here, let them. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:11, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, everyone can keep editing here like usual. This was just a proposal since i was approached over this and was wondering about the community's feedback, and I do see potential in Triforce Wiki. Thats why I don't want to sell it off. If anything, if Zelda Dungeon ever wanted to come here, or if both wiki sites merged elsewhere (like if porplemontage hosted a zelda wiki), then that would be better option for us. Hopefully Zelda Dungeon isnt upset about our opinion but I think we should take charge of the wiki thing. It's too risky to just relinquish control over the site. Results May Vary (talk) 23:26, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, while it should be your - and only your decision, as you are the person who runs the site, and I feel at the current moment to just have a small affiliation with Zelda Dungeon, just by keeping the link on the sidebar implying "hey you should check out these guys". Doomhiker (talk) 01:26, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

porplemontage
Just letting you know that in case I cannot afford to maintain the wiki's hosting in case it gets too much traffic, porplemontage will be willing to help us take over. I'm glad because we want to make sure this project does not die. I believe we can do this -- we're definitely doing great -- over 100 articles ready with all this hard work! (and these are mostly major subjects as well!) Results May Vary (talk) 15:43, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Zelda Encyclopedia page?
Hi Doc, was wondering if you and LTL were ever thinking of making a Zelda Encyclopedia page, to clarify like this book does here: https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_Bros._Encyclopedia, especially if zelda gamepedia won't do it just curious as it might be an interesting one to do (since the timeline hyrule hystoria has already been done). by the way, the zelda dungeon wiki merge was cancelled due to conflicting ideas. i'll keep them in the sidebar though Results May Vary (talk) 00:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It should be mentioned, though I've no specific plans for it. I own the book, but have never opened it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:27, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Re:About the King of Hyrule article I'm envisioning
Actually, I could swear we already had a King of Hyrule article - what I was thinking of was the Kingdom of Hyrule article, which is currently more about the Royal Family. I'd say the king is more like a role rather than an incarnation, so that's a good way to handle it, though maybe move some of the information from Kingdom of Hyrule, rename that article to just Hyrule, and briefly mention the named kings but add to their sections. LTL (talk) 23:26, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Link's Awakening
Hi Doc, so I've been playing Link's Awakening. Pretty cool how they have some Mario enemies in the game. Now remind me, is it BizHawk that you want me to use for sprite-ripping? When I'm done with the game, i'll expand upon the Link's Awakening and the DX page Results May Vary (talk) 18:42, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The Knight (guardian) was a temporary name i made because there was a knight (enemy) and a knight (guardian) in page 102 of the nintendo player's guide. here's the Knight guardian entry, for reference: https://i.imgur.com/6J4ggul.png Results May Vary (talk) 21:25, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, so for comparison, what's the enemy? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:34, 27 July 2019 (UTC)