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| :::::Anyways, from what you've told me, I think the main immobile Eyegore statue article title should either be "Eye of Deceit" or "Eye statue," which do you think would work better? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC) | | :::::Anyways, from what you've told me, I think the main immobile Eyegore statue article title should either be "Eye of Deceit" or "Eye statue," which do you think would work better? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC) |
| ::::::I've played through both ways, and I think I recall it in both, though I could be wrong, as it's been a few years. It might be that different advice was given in the other. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC) | | ::::::I've played through both ways, and I think I recall it in both, though I could be wrong, as it's been a few years. It might be that different advice was given in the other. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC) |
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| Gonna bump this again after over a year, I'm honestly wondering if the decorative ones should be considered the iteration of [[Stone Statue]] (or given ambiguous casing, "stone statue") from ALttP onward. Before doing so, however, I'd like to see no-frills "Sekizō" used in reference for later entities, particularly given the "Aigoru no zo" you mentioned from ''Triforce of the Gods''. On a related note, given the ALttP/FS guide that basically just transliterated JP names in the latter section just using "Igor," I'm curious if the JP guides identify the ones in that game as normal Eyegores or the "living statue" name from TMC. Similarly, Wizzrobe variants and the "(identifier)" usage. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:07, 3 July 2020 (MDT)<br>
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| Actually, for that matter, I learned about the similar "Gargoyle" enemies in ''Cadence'' as well, are those "''Sekizō''," perhaps? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:29, 4 July 2020 (MDT)<br>
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| ...and looking further, it seems the rectangular stone heads that act as the palace goal in TAoL are ''also'' called "stone statue" by that game's manual. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:52, 3 August 2020 (MDT)<br>
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| ...and also, both the tribal "puzzle" statues in the DS games and the fire-spitting ones in the latter one. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:06, 12 August 2020 (MDT)
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| :Should the same be said of ESMB? On the Big Cheep talk, Chili brought up a thing regarding an alleged old Japanese name I'd never heard of for a Blooper Nanny behavioral variation in SMB3, so I wondered about your feelings on that. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:23, 6 September 2020 (MDT)
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| ::TBPH given the lack of source for "Kuromame," I wouldn't mind merging Keronpa Ball with Keronpa outright, particularly since they originally only sometimes had faces and the differences in behavior can be chalked up to only having one prior appearance at the time. Regardless, thanks for the input, I can wait on the Bloopers for now. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:21, 6 September 2020 (MDT)
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| And again more things befuddle the Stone Statue situation. I watched a playthrough of Unicorn's Cave to refamiliarize myself with the 'Dogger, and I saw ''two'' obstacles that could fit under the Stone Statue obstacle umbrella. The first was this goofy gargoyle in side-scrolling segments that looked vaguely like SMB1 Bowser's head (and I'm pretty sure was used as a target for a hookshot or counterpart in some game(s)), which was similar to the mounted Mau or Ra except only firing energy balls straight forward. The second was this relief that appeared in a row constantly (and noisily) spitting fire that needed blocked with a magnetbol, and thus was similar to LA's Flame Fountain as well as some of the fire-breathing statues in ''Spirit Tracks''. Any knowledge of any official names for these? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:59, 6 December 2020 (MST)
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| I have found the alleged "seikizō" pun is [https://youtu.be/jZ4rsCrdykA?t=364 nonexistent, it's just sekizō]. With this in mind, should we simply merge the decorative "Rocklops statue" and perhaps the fire-shooting "Eye Guard" to it? In FS, some of them are decorative and used as arrow switches, much like specific ones in ALttP and LA. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:12, 31 December 2020 (MST)
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| So in that guide, is "Sekizo" solely used for the inanimate ones? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:09, May 29, 2021 (MDT)
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| :Thing is, "Worth" is a name in real life, while "Gooma" is as far as I know not. Specifically, "Worth" is an old English-sounding name, which makes sense given at the time, they were trying to capture a pure medieval feel. Admittedly, I was always pretty curious if it was intended to be a corruption of wolf. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC) | | :Thing is, "Worth" is a name in real life, while "Gooma" is as far as I know not. Specifically, "Worth" is an old English-sounding name, which makes sense given at the time, they were trying to capture a pure medieval feel. Admittedly, I was always pretty curious if it was intended to be a corruption of wolf. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
| ::So what about Pikku from ALttP? Safe to transliterate here to "Pick?" It is essentially a pickpocket, after all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:38, 29 December 2019 (UTC) | | ::So what about Pikku from ALttP? Safe to transliterate here to "Pick?" It is essentially a pickpocket, after all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:38, 29 December 2019 (UTC) |
| :::Regarding Error, it wouldn't surprise me if "Errol" was a sort of double-meaning thing that only works with Japanese phonetics, ie one an actual Englishy name and the other a theme naming with Bug. Sort of like the "Larry Rally" joke from the Mario Character Encyclopedia. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 07:41, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
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| According to Doc on Discord, [[Big Keese]]s are named Piccolo in Japanese, which proves that they are only a Keese relative, not a variant. May you source the specific book and page, please? [[User:Doomhiker|Doomhiker]] ([[User talk:Doomhiker|talk]]) 00:58, 31 December 2019 (UTC) | | According to Doc on Discord, [[Big Keeses]] are named Piccolo in Japanese, which proves that they are only a Keese relative, not a variant. May you source the specific book and page, please? [[User:Doomhiker|Doomhiker]] ([[User talk:Doomhiker|talk]]) 00:58, 31 December 2019 (UTC) |
| :May you please add that to the page (and the Grim Creeper page for his JPN name) itself? I'm not an expert of Japanese or said guides and how to add their citation. Regardless, thanks. [[User:Doomhiker|Doomhiker]] ([[User talk:Doomhiker|talk]]) 01:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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| ::Thanks. I personally feel like Big Keese is still a better name, as whenever Battle Bat is used it's when stating that they're either regular Keese, or a specific group of regular Keese. [[User:Doomhiker|Doomhiker]] ([[User talk:Doomhiker|talk]]) 02:12, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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| :::Also, does the exact source you added on the Big Keese page also cover the Grim Creeper's JPN name? [[User:Doomhiker|Doomhiker]] ([[User talk:Doomhiker|talk]]) 02:18, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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| ::::Thanks. If I remember correctly, Vires are the devils in Turtle Rock. In that case, the bats they turn into look differently from Big Keeses. I couldn't find a source that names them. [[User:Doomhiker|Doomhiker]] ([[User talk:Doomhiker|talk]]) 03:04, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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| :::::I don't own the guide, RMV just sent me a screenshot of page 106 on Discord a while ago. There Big Keese is just Big Keese in the title, unlike other titles, as the Winged Demons (Vire's name in the guide), Bone Putters, Kara-koros, and Camo Goblins. Notably, the Anti-Kirby title is also singular. As for the Vire's Keese, while they do have different appearances in LA they still don't look like Big Keese. Also, in the Big Keese description, is only uses the Bat name, which is plural, despite the Big Keese name not being plural. Anyways, I suggest asking RMV for more on the guide. [[User:Doomhiker|Doomhiker]] ([[User talk:Doomhiker|talk]]) 03:28, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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| ::::::I'm not really sure. However, it should be noted that in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwNN0Gy4bj8&t=389s Switch version] the Keese he splits into more closely resemble Vires (though the original ones still looked like they had fangs), while Big Keese more closely resemble their original versions, as they look nearly identical. And regular [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkWlfFbRdGA&list=PLwGyU0mZTYHWMKN2uZGNLuJmDwssEb6vJ Keese] almost look like regular bats. I don't know how to interpret this change, especially since I never played the Oracle games and thus don't know what Vires split into there. [[User:Doomhiker|Doomhiker]] ([[User talk:Doomhiker|talk]]) 14:01, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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| Docky here, I'd say the later design for Vire Keese is more due to it being on a monochromatic system (and even in the color version, the body of normal Keese is the constant "outline" color). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:26, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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| == Walltula vs. Skullwalltula ==
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| Which should have title precedence: Walltula or Skullwalltula? Skullwalltula's technically been used more recently due to the 3DS games, and since they changed "Freezzard" and "Dinofols," it's apparent they went over the scripts to be up-to-date. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 07:22, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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| :Thing about the LA thing is that it's such a thorough reworking of the naming system in many cases. It seems very deliberate. I understand where you're coming from, but ultimately I feel it may cause more harm than good if followed to a T. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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| ::Most items are already on a "sometimes they do and sometimes they don't" situation with capitalization, so I wouldn't worry too much about that. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:34, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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| :::Highly unlikely, though I have no plan on getting an "HD" version of an already realistic-graphicked game. I'm about to go to sleep for the night, but another thing I've been puzzling over is Trap/Blade Trap/Spike Trap. I know it was "Trap" in-game in TMC, but is there much consistency with either of the others in guides? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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| I've no idea, sorry. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:45, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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| I thiiiiink that's Handy Ganny because of the upper panel, the "I was one of them" seems like a way to justify Mr. Random Tree having such specific knowledge. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:45, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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| :I have no real preference, though I myself only blank text if it's a label for artwork. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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| :I am a tad curious if that's really one of the talking trees or if that's intended to reference the shrub-like storyteller. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:52, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
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| ::I agree with "comic." As for the two mangas, either name or year could work (if the latter are different), though the manga that isn't really obscure (I've only seen the other mentioned only on Agahnim's page) could take priority for a "manga" identifier. And yes, I am well aware of the many liberties, such as the comic having multiple Helmasaur Kings identified as "Gleeocs" (which I'm curious if that was a false cognate for the Japanese name), and the manga having Vitreous by a giant friendly cyclops girl. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:46, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
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| :::Is that later one the source of the Armos that looked ''very suspiciously'' like the OoT artwork? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:48, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
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| ::::That's it all right. I was curious due to blatantly having that game's design, since OoT was released after ALttP original. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:34, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
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| Well, there was a sole Guma midway through Parapa Palace iirc....might have been more there, but I think it was just one. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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| Arts & Artifacts lacks a Carock artwork, but Gamepedia Zeldawiki has [https://zelda.gamepedia.com/File:TAoL_Carock_Artwork.png one] from [https://web.archive.org/web/20100702103815/http://www.zeldauniverse.net/zelda/the-adventure-of-link/aol-bosses/ the old Zelda Universe]....wonder what the true source is, and if there are any more enemies that have artwork stashed away in a guide? The artstyle is in-line with the other NoJ AoL artworks.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:04, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
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| == Myself ==
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| I discussed this with some others yesterday -- summing up the zeldapedia incident -- but I figured you'd also like some context on this. The events in November tied in with how because I didnt feel confident in my ability to run a wiki on Zelda games, especially having been raised with the ''Mario'' franchise nearly all my life. I'm also a 22 year old who isn't an expert in translations, and I generally specialize in western platforming wikis (Donkey Kong is pseudo-western, at least because Rare had a large involvement with it, and then there's Retro Studios).
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| I played ''Star Fox Adventures'', which borrowed heavily from ''Zelda: Ocarina of Time'', and I really liked ''Star Fox Adventures'' (more love-hate relationship with it). It was one of the major reasons I thought it would be good to start a new Zelda wiki, as I'm a big fan of a lot of Rare's games, and I wanted it to have a proper wiki to trace back to. I also had a childhood friend who had both [[Nintendo 64]] games and another with the OoT compilation for GameCube, so I had some Zelda experience growing up. I also played ''Link's Awakening DX'' and ''Ocarina of Time 3D'' years ago, both of which are games I really like. I actually linked to ''Star Fox Adventures''{{'}} Lylat Wiki page on the opening section of the OoT article here too.... And then I saw discussions on Super Mario Wiki, realizing the circumstance was worse on Zelda Wiki than i had thought (I didnt notice them adding Dark Horse references everywhere).
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| The Zelda Archive thing didnt work out, so I asked hylian pi (the site's webmaster) for all the content that he didn't write and i moved it to zelda.shoutwiki.com briefly for safekeeping. I still wanted something larger, and nobody in NIWA wanted to host a Zelda wiki to prevent drama. However, I had a bit of an outsider's perspective and was really annoyed about the situation, so I thought "this is total nonsense. i'm making a wiki with others whether or not they like it". I'm still with my parents, and I don't make much money (Seattle minimum wage & i work part-time), so I almost got broke when paying for a 3-year hosting plan on BlueHost, but I was that determined to try and make this work. I also wanted to learn how to configure MediaWiki & follow in porplemontage's footsteps (he's like a dad to me).
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| At first I didn't have much faith in my ability and I felt against all odds, Triforce Wiki would be a failure. The big mistake was when I founded this wiki, it was more out of animosity toward the Gamepedia wiki, rather than trying to host a community. After the Zeldapedia mistake, I realized that Triforce Wiki was a better option, despite far fewer articles, and it had a unique vision from the start. It's the only Zelda wiki to originate from a Mario community (Super Mario Wiki), and to focus more accommodating for Mario gamers than Zelda gamers (the latter are accommodated in places such as Zelda Dungeon or Zelda Universe). Mario and Zelda are sibling franchises, and the main series (Super Mario series and Zelda series) are usually developed concurrently by the same staff at Nintendo.
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| Basically I felt it was an embarrassment to be hosting a wiki on Zelda, given some unappealing facts about me (such as being a 22 year old who grew up on platforming games). Other saw something that I didn't, such as leadership potential. The DK Wiki merge got ahold of my anxiety big-time, and I wanted to return to the Rare wikis, as I felt i was neglecting them too much. Since the mistake with Zeldapedia, I felt really, really terrible for letting the community down, as I didn't want to go down the same path as zeldawiki.org and sell out or alienate my community. Since the mistake, I've made a Discord server and added some userboxes on Triforce Wiki, and I've been trying to add more community spirit around the place, WiKirby being a major inspiration. That makes it more a community thing and less of a 'pet project', as they would call it. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 16:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
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| I saw in your edit summary that you planned an article for [[Marin]]. Admittedly I've been wanting to do one since 2019, but I wanted to ask what kind of technical issues did you encounter? [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 09:17, 2 April 2020 (MDT)
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| :Shortly after the new year, my graphics card started failing and soon my laptop screen suddenly ceased functioning altogether. I've been ignoring some other issues with it for a while, but this finally made it unusable. I'd recently given an older desktop away as a hand-me-down so I didn't have any immediate backup devices (I could've resorted to mobile editing, but it's inconvenient for larger-scale wiki writing). That left me without my own personal computer for over a month. [[User:LTL|LTL]] ([[User talk:LTL|talk]]) 19:23, 30 April 2020 (MDT)
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| ::Ah hi LTL, I know to decrease Triforce discussion on Mario Wiki but this was the wiki's 1st birthday & I wanted to tell you about this on the first birthday. [[Sheik]] should be a comprehensive page & I decided for it to be the featured article. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 19:47, 30 April 2020 (MDT)
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| == Apologies for [[Sheik]] edit ==
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| Hi, I'm sorry I didn't thoroughly read & conclude about the Sheik email. I think the reason why I jumped too quickly was because I thought of the irony of citing something from their talk page in a similar way to how Mario Wiki did with the ''Wario Land II'' (especially if Nintendo's Sheik article didn't mention it itself). I'll try and be more careful next time. I do wonder, how did Nintendo give a thoughtful response for the Wario Land II enemies? Wonder why they did that for WL2 but not the Sheik gender thing. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 20:55, 30 April 2020 (MDT)
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| :That's fine, no need to apologize. Interesting choice for the anniversary article. The only issue I have with it is that it's unfortunately pretty repetitive to write around pronouns in English. I'll look into it and try to come up with ways to read more naturally while maintaining accuracy, which I'll propose on the talk page first. Regarding the ''Wario Land'' enemies, I'm really not sure how the stars managed to align on that one since it's somewhat rare for Nintendo mail reps to give an individualized, careful response. There must be some sort of trick to it. [[User:LTL|LTL]] ([[User talk:LTL|talk]]) 21:07, 30 April 2020 (MDT)
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| == Zelda.com fanon? ==
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| I've heard that zelda.com had fanfiction information on it. Do you know anything about this? [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 16:23, 1 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :Oh yeah, a lot of the information on zelda.com was pretty iffy in its heyday. You can read about some of it [https://zelda.gamepedia.com/Community:Zelda.com#Bad_reputation_amongst_fans here]. Even the modern redesign has a few flaws, such as resurrecting the long-buried Dragmire argument for no good reason. I was just going by how some articles like Cheep Cheep already use a Zelda Universe profile, but I'll leave it to your and Doc's judgment on whether it should be banned. [[User:LTL|LTL]] ([[User talk:LTL|talk]]) 17:27, 1 May 2020 (MDT)
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| ::I'd say include the profiles because it's technically official. I just wondered if theres any deep history as to why because Doc told me about it [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 17:33, 1 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :::Ah, that's a good question, but I'm afraid I'm not privy to those details. [[User:LTL|LTL]] ([[User talk:LTL|talk]]) 19:07, 1 May 2020 (MDT)
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| So, Octive of ''Spirit Tracks'' and the Water Octorok in BotW have the same Japanese name. However, this could easily be incidental, as Octive is hardly the game's most common or otherwise memorable enemy (aside from how weird it looks), and while they attack similar, it's ultimately an adaptation of the OoT behavior. What has me curious, though, is if the Water Octorok in TFH has the same JP name, as that could link them better, particularly since TFH brought Squiddy back. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:21, 12 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :In the interim, I had also noticed HH calling Ocean Octorok's concept artwork from PH "Ink Octo" while calling Octive's various design interpretations simply "Octorok." Does this mean we should probably split each of BotW's land-based Octos? I've been considering going ahead and splitting the elemental Wizzrobes, it just seemed awkward with them commonly appearing without a "normal" type, and other times the "normal" type using variable elemental magic. On the subject of ZE selectively regrouping things, MannedTooth reminded me that it considers Eyegore and Eyegore Statue the same as well. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:13, 18 May 2020 (MDT)
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| ::Mysterii has the JP Spirit Tracks guide, so I can ask him I suppose. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:41, 18 May 2020 (MDT)
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| ::OK, turns out he was actually using previous citations for names. He found スミオクタ for ST's Ocean Octorok, but nothing for PH's. This is also in conflict with ZW's name for this, but given they didn't have a citation for it I'm leaning towards trusting his more. "Sumi" here also likely refers to a word for cephalopod ink, which explains "Ink Octo" succinctly. On an only tenuously related note, given all the oddities in HH regarding PH Octoroks (Cyclok being labeled simply as Octorok, the "Ink Octo" thing, Bellum being intended as a giant Octorok, and Octomines being intended as his minions), it makes me wonder if they initially intended to have Octoroks as a whole be the villains of that game (potentially to make up for them being AWOL in TP), with that not panning out in the finished product.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:24, 18 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :::I was thinking the same thing regarding the Moblin parallel. If those labels are true to the actual design notes for each piece of concept art, that indicates to me Cyclok's design was intended for the basic Octoroks, and was adopted by the "wind boss" after they decided to give them a more traditional design for a fixed-camera game. It certainly fits better alongside Ocean Octorok's design. Regarding the Hinoxes, it seems likely, given their only behavioral parallels to normal depictions of Hinoxes (the stronger ones pulling powder kegs out of the ground occasionally) seems like such an afterthought it might as well not be there. Not to mention the other miniboss species being new, particularly given Molduga could have easily been identified as Malgyorg without it being too unbelievable. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:23, 18 May 2020 (MDT)
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| ::::From what I can tell, "Mold" more refers to sand in general, hence why the aforementioned Malgyorgs are apparently Moldgyorgs in Japan (though given the OG Moldorm went from sand in the first game to swamps in ALttP, maybe it's inconsistent). I do wonder what "Molduga" is otherwise supposed to refer to, since "Moldrassic" making a "Jurassic" joke makes sense given its prehistoric-looking design, while the SandWorm makes sense as yet another reference to the only part of ''Dune'' anyone ever cares to know about. Anyways, the Octo thing is certainly possible, though it might have just been hard to resist the non-phonetic alliteration. Back on the subject of the Wizzrobes, TFH has only Ice Wizzrobes without a Fire Wizzrobe in sight. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:27, 18 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :::::ALBW-acting normal Octoroks are in the Den of Trials too, so that's likely what one of those refers to. I do find it interesting how Grim Repoe's name there is referencing the things it carries instead of "Po(e)Boss" or something, particularly since a lantern is already mentioned. The Moldworm thing is no surprise at all; it's probable that they always intended for the "worm" part to be obvious but had a simple disconnect with English phonetics, resulting in "Morudoāmu," with "Morudowāmu" being a very minor way to fix it. Not to mention how TMC Moldworm acts like the original Moldorm aside from the eating thing, and TP Moldorm acting like Swamola aside from location and aggression. Not to mention that that'd be such a random enemy to give an ascended role to....any chance of a file name or guide reference pointing to what those probably-Moldorms in the Molgera fight are called? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:56, 20 May 2020 (MDT)
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| ::::::Yeah, much like my recent merge of fence and chain-link on MarioWiki, I only came to the technicality realization as I was finishing....at least there's less links here to fix. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:03, 20 May 2020 (MDT)
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| ::::::On another note, it wouldn't surprise me if the things in TWW are actually the first appearance of [[Moldbaby]], given they're larval Moldworms that help a boss through sand-jumping. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:46, 21 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :::::::The Armos thing explains why only Armos Knight has artwork (which itself reminds me of the situation with Spiky Piranha Plant in SMG), but I guess we'll need to wait and see on a Japanese guide for the Molgatorbaby things. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:58, 21 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :::::::Oh, another thing about Moldworm, "Moldorm" actually is used in-game for Link's Crossbow Training.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:13, 23 May 2020 (MDT)
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| I'm playing PH some more, and it occurred to me that until I corrected them, The Models Resource called Tail/Moldorm "Lanmola" and Moldworm/Sandworm "Moldorm;" I was wondering if perhaps Tail is called Lanmola internally, which would also explain its more centipede-like appearance. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:13, 31 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :OK, so it's just a case of jumping to conclusions. How about the Gyomazon/Geozard/Zora Warrior? I'm curious if it has anything to do with actual Zoras or if PRIMA's the only maker of that claim. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:28, 31 May 2020 (MDT)
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| ::My preference would be "relative," personally. What was the source for "Geozard," again? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:47, 31 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :::He's not quite sure where to go either, though if they wanted an explicit connection "Zoramazon" or "Amazora" would have worked better than "Gyomazon." Another thing, I've been considering splitting Fire Bubble (TP/PH/ALBW) from normal Bubble, since ultimately it's in a similar situation to Wisp, which I do have separate. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:14, 4 June 2020 (MDT)
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| ::::I've been frenzily playing through PH and writing as I go, and wanted input on one thing before getting there: Mazaal and Eox on one page or not? Their only similarities are being ancient Golem things, but on the other hand, they were only two games apart, and PH has another returning boss with Gleeok from the first game, and the Rupee Like enemy from Four Swords and TMC is there too, not to mention the Cobble civilization he is found near has those references to the carpenters. I don't know if "Oisu" is some sort of Japanese pun they happened to come up with twice or if it was a legitimate callback that was missed in the English translation. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:23, 15 June 2020 (MDT)
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| ::::I was more asking your thoughts in general on it than about the books, but I'm not opposed to factoring it in. XD [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:57, 15 June 2020 (MDT)
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| :::::Sounds good. On that note, do we have a file name or guide name for the slimy eye thingies Bellum spawns? ZW and ZE use "Slime Minion," though this seems to stem from a name of [https://zelda.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=File:PH_Slime_Minion_Model.png&action=history an image file on ZW] as there's no actual guide cited from what I can tell. If the English guide does indeed call them that, then that's well and good, it'd just seem odd to me that given how many things they name "Eye-something-or-another" (Eye Plant, Eyeball Monster, Eye Brute, Eye Slug) they wouldn't do that in a case where it's fairly appropriate to. <small>On another note, if I had an "Eyeball Demon" monster, I'd name it "Bel-eye-al."</small> [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:14, 18 June 2020 (MDT)
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| ::::::Looks like "Muddy" it is, then. I'd like your input on another PH thing, too: ZW treats "Cobble" as a "race," but from what the game itself seems to say, it was merely a kingdom. While there are some similar traits between members (namely the off-colored noses), this isn't even close to unique to them among the game's cast, and it seems more apt to call them a Hylian civilization (since Zauz and Astrid have clear pointed ears). Your thoughts? Anything from a guide swing this either way? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:17, 19 June 2020 (MDT)
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| :::::::Right then. Is "Pirate Miniblin" in the PH guide or is that another invention? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:10, 20 June 2020 (MDT)
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| ::::::::OK, I was trying to decide between "Pirate Miniblin" and "Umiburin," but looks like Team Umizoomi wins the day. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:00, 21 June 2020 (MDT)
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| ::::::::We also need to determine what to do about Squiddy. The wording of the Miiverse post seems to indicate Jellyrich (called Squiddy in TFH's PRIMA guide) is original to TFH, and as such we should probably have them split. Since Miiverse was more directly connected to Nintendo, should that name take priority with Squiddy getting an "about," or should the DS enemy also have an identifier while using a disambig page? Granted, there's still the possibility of a full merge in case I'm missing something... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:10, 23 June 2020 (MDT)
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| ::::::::Aside from Squiddy up there, how about the Mini Freezards in ST? ZW has them on Freezard, but they look and act infinitely more like the Mini guys. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:06, 12 August 2020 (MDT)
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| ::::::::Also, do the whip-bar carrying birds have any specific name? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:19, 1 September 2020 (MDT)
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| == Re:Recorder and Magical Rod ==
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| I have given my responses now. I must apologize for the lateness; I was taking a break from the wiki both to get schoolwork in order and do some things on MarioWiki. I have a deli job now for most of the week, so I'm not sure how much I'll be able to contribute in the upcoming days. <s>Also, if it's not clear by now I have more fun writing about monsters than items.</s> [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:43, 18 May 2020 (MDT)
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| == Snow Gooze ==
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| TFH Prima guide just says "rat" and has a picture of both types. Anyways, on the subject of rats, do you know if the TWW bomb rats being alternatively "Bombchu" is in the JP script or a western addition? I have a similar question regarding TMC's red crows being "Takkuri." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:30, 19 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :Given they're basically the same thing, that wouldn't surprise me at all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:01, 20 May 2020 (MDT)
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| == Internal name template? ==
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| So I had an idea. Why not make a template similar to the niol template that's about file names? Like we'd list a name, in the next column, we'd list the meaning or reference if it's not self-explanatory, and in the last one we'd list the games it's apply to. Row down, rinse and repeat. Now, due to the potentially large amount of rows, it might be best to simply do it as a table without specific parameters so as to not have it contradict itself in coding, but I'm just at the idea stage with this right now. It solves the not-fitting-in-the-niol-table problem but still lists them in a similar way, and honestly, they're just as important from a game design/development standpoint. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:04, 19 May 2020 (MDT)
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| == Final Fantasy ==
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| I know you arent a Final Fantasy expert (neither am I), but for some reason I can't help but compare ''Final Fantasy'' to ''The Legend of Zelda'' constantly. For instance ''Final Fantasy VII'' is pretty much the ''Final Fantasy'' equivalent of ''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time''. Another reason I keep comparing them is possibly because ''Final Fantasy'' games are long adventure games (as are ''Dragon Quest'' games), except both Square franchises have a greater focus on RPG gameplay rather than puzzle-solving like ''The Legend of Zelda''. I think the first ''Final Fantasy'' having a medieval setting and some dungeons (as well as a crystal at the end of each) is what really reminded me of ''The Legend of Zelda'', especially the first game. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 09:32, 21 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :Another reason could be because I usually play platformer games, with the exception of these two franchises. Also both Zelda and Final Fantasy do not have a fully established independent wiki counterpart unlike most other franchises in NIWA and SEIWA respectively. Both Zelda Wiki (Gamepedia) and Final Fantasy Fandom have a dark theme, and the independent counterparts have a brighter, contrasting design. I guess my comparisons are based on personal experience. Hope I didnt bother you, I just don't talk with you often. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 10:11, 21 May 2020 (MDT)
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| ::Interesting, so are you saying some Zelda 3 elements were literally reused for Dragon Quest IV? [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 11:06, 21 May 2020 (MDT)
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| == ALttP/FS PRIMA ==
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| So Mysterii shared some images of enemy sections with names from PRIMA's ALttP/FS guide on the Discord server. A majority of the ALttP ones are really weird, and I have a sneaking suspicion that they recycled them from an SNES guide from their pre-Nintendo-partnership days (though given Deadrock is called "Goron," then there were some alterations if that were indeed the case). The FS ones, on the other hand, are for the most part done better, but for the most part seem to have been simply trans(liter)ated from JP names without any checking of conventions (though this does provide a source for "Fin Piranha"). I was just wondering if you knew of this and if so, what your take on it was. For reference: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/650120327598440448/715355935790465074/unknown.png 1], [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/650120327598440448/715356091562721361/BookReaderImages.png 2], [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/650120327598440448/715356174488305744/BookReaderImages.png 3], [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/650120327598440448/715356219992309851/BookReaderImages.png 4], [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/650120327598440448/715356304503210074/BookReaderImages.png 5], [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/650120327598440448/715356934840254485/BookReaderImages.png 6]. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:45, 27 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :I'd noticed how they used the "Bombclops" image for Zora, though the mention of fire and being a Light World enemy make it clear it's referring to the actual Zora. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:11, 31 May 2020 (MDT)
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| == Zelda II "names" ==
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| So apparently, while NP calls the white wizards "Wizards" in issue 4, the manual calls them "magicians" in the reflect magic description and issue 5 refers to Mago as "wizards." Also, in the CE guide, the Parapa Guma is consistently called a "goblin," while Bots are called "Slimes." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:03, 29 May 2020 (MDT)
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| == In coming days ==
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| Hi LTL, I'm just giving you a heads up to expect some downtime in coming days. I'm planning to move the domain to triforcewiki.com & possibly another server. I will make sure all the data is safe if or when this happens. Just thought I'd let you know :) [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 11:54, 31 May 2020 (MDT)
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| :No prob, enjoy the promotion. :) Yes it will stay a redirect for a while. it might go the same route as khwiki.net -> khwiki.com, which was a redirect domain for a while before expiring. Also, I might be really busy in coming weeks, so that's why i promoted some staff. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 19:52, 31 May 2020 (MDT)
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| == Re: Hyrule Graphics; or, "Deconstruction" Part 1 of 2 ==
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| I took note of the OoA ??? thing yesterday while coming off my uploading frenzy. The Poe thing is a bit troubling to me, given HH called Imp Poe simply "Poe," which combined with ZW misattributing the "Pofi" name to the tall guy led me to believe Imp Poe was the "normal" Poe. The Octo thing intrigues me; it reminds me of how the Doki Doki Panic guide ''and'' the (hopefully official) Japanese SMRPG guide both colored red Beezo pinkish. Other than that, looks to be about what I expected. Thank you! [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:18, 15 June 2020 (MDT)
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| :Yeah, I think I mentioned the positioning of the "Gooma" art before. Honestly at this point I'm curious if it ever ''was'' explicitly used for the Western boss. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:21, 15 June 2020 (MDT)
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| == "Ocarina" of Seasons/Ages ==
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| Is that what the guide's actually called...? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:40, 19 June 2020 (MDT)
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| == TurtleS ==
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| The manual ''also'' used "Gibdos" where everything else is singular, so I think the most logical conclusion is "Gibdos" is a one-time singularization, likely to go with Stalfos. Ergo, I insist keeping Terrorpin's old name listed as "Turtles." [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:00, 21 June 2020 (MDT)
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| :Honestly, I feel this is more like "Moneybags" from SM64. It just seems odd to have that be the only pluralized thing, with the Gibdos already being explained. Also, even if they did just "slap a capital" on that, that's still just as much a proper noun as "Rat" or any of the more generic PRIMA names. It's not like a broken telephone effect ''can't'' result in official names. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:00, 21 June 2020 (MDT)
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| ::If we do things game-by-game, Armos can be like spike in SMW. As for the "named between," what choice do we have? The earliest names are the earliest names. As for Turtles, I think PRIMA can be thrown out of the determination since they ignored many previous official names (and called something a beetle when it was obviously a mushroom). The fact of the matter is I feel "Turtles" is safer with what info we ''do'' have, since nothing else is definitively plural. Saying it was meant to be "turtle" in the NP I feel is an unsafe assumption, all things considered. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:14, 23 June 2020 (MDT)
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| :::I still think it's a (hilariously lazy) way to make it seem non-generic. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:06, 12 August 2020 (MDT)
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| == Winder ==
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| So if they're Fire Snake in ALttP, Firewinder in TMC, Moldola in ST, and completely unnamed in English in ALBW, is that to mean that "Winder" is actually never used officially in English? Guess there's still PH remaining from the list.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:26, 21 June 2020 (MDT)
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| :You mean in the English "Fire Snake" naming? Likely, though I think that's a Western connection, like with the SMW enemy. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:14, 23 June 2020 (MDT)
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| == Red Mighty Dark Nuts and Bolts ==
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| So my research has led me to believe that "Tartnack Aka" is the JP name for both Mighty Darknut and Red Dark Nut (even though I'm preeeeetty sure the former came in more colors than red). What I'm curious about is if that's true and if so, whether that is the name of the Red Darknut in Cadence. "Tartnack Aka," "Tartnack (Aka)," and "Aka Tartnack" are going to make a lot of difference here. (Also, I'm curious over the file names regarding TWW Darknuts, given the separate figurines for shieldless ones and shield-bearing ones, as well as Mighty being created via "Darknut with cape" when that is otherwise not indicated to be the distinction). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:27, 25 June 2020 (MDT)
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| :Huh, wonder if "Tartnack Aka" came from a guide or a Tingle comment then. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:06, 12 August 2020 (MDT)
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| :Coming back to this subject, since the figurines in the JP version of TWW give them the same names, would you support a full merge simply noting the three levels of protection (shieldless, shielded, caped)? Of course, the question about what to do with Red Dark Nut remains, since ''[https://youtu.be/jZ4rsCrdykA?t=419 The Minish Cap]'' refers to them, in fact, as タートナック・赤, which is the same formatting used for the Chuchu bosses as well as the Gyorg Pair. I suppose if we split Black Knight, it seems fair to split this too, though it still seems likely that the green, white, and red Dark Nuts are stand-ins for the shieldless, shielded, and caped Darknuts, respectively, since the first resembles the Tower of the Gods palette, the second the most common TWW Darknut color, and the third the Mighty Darknut miniboss color. That being said, there were black Mighty Darknuts too, though we could also do like how we don't consider the Wizzrobes in MM Fire and Ice Wizzrobes. On that tangent, I noticed that the TMC names for ''those'' transliterate to "Firerobe" and "Icerobe," which were also their Commonwealth English names in that game. Know if those are used for later appearances or if they just went with them as separate words? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:33, 31 October 2020 (MDT)
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| == ZW's TP translation inconsistencies ==
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| Looking over ZW's TP translation pages, I'm coming up with a few confusing inconsistencies. Bombling is called "Bomuchuu" (with "chuu" using a 蟲 kanji that is also alternative to "mushi," unlike the spelled-out version for Bombchu) on the enemy page, but the "pocket" version on the items page is "Bakudanchuu" instead. Furthermore, they list Deku Like as "Deku Raiku" on it, but on Big Baba's page it says they're "Dekureshia" as a play on Rafflesia. Also, Big Baba is listed as "Babareshia" on its own page but "Dai Deku Baba" on the translation page, which also lists "Big Deku Baba" in English and links to the OoT enemy. Any idea what's going on here? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:15, 29 June 2020 (MDT)
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| == ''Four Swords'' things ==
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| I've been hunting for Wisp in FS high and low, and can't find head or flame of it. ZW claims they appear in Vaati's Palace, but I cannot find them behind any of the three doors. Since they're in the PRIMA guide, I at least know they're used in some capacity, but I'm having no luck. I'm determined to find them primarily because I don't know how they act in that game (though I assume similar to in TMC), as all three other main wikis just have a blank FS section for them. On another note, Wizrobe. The PRIMA guide uses a picture of an ice version, TSR has a red one that looks like the fire type without the layered fire graphic, and ZW has a mostly unused old sprite of a green one that isn't on any of the stage pages, which use a picture of a fiery Wizzrobe for "Wizzrobe." Since I'm also having no luck finding "normal" Wizrobes in the game itself, I'm getting a suspicion that they aren't in it either outside of the elemental ones. Anyways, I'd like confirmation, be it from a guide or otherwise. On a related note, an old ZW edit says that the JP guide identifies the skeletal enemies (called "Stalfos" by PRIMA) instead with Stalchild, which if true should be done here as well. If the JP guides treat the elemental Wizrobes and statue-like Eyegores/"Igors" as the normal ones and not Ice/Fire Wizzrobes and Eyegore Statues, we also should probably reflect that, as it's a distinction based off a certain game's appearance a la Boarblin. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:36, 20 July 2020 (MDT)
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| :I am. That being said, I can't find a visual for a FS "normal" Wizrobe aside from inconsistent sprite rips. Does HE at least describe what Wisp ''does'' in that game? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:06, 12 August 2020 (MDT)
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| :Also, there's still the question on Eyegores. Does I know ZE lists TMC as an appearance of basic Eyegores, does HE do the same? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:49, 17 August 2020 (MDT)
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| So, I have come across a Japanese guide for ALttP/FS that has a Nintendo copyright, namely [https://www.amazon.com/Legend-Zelda-Swords-Strategy-Japanese/dp/4839910863 this one]. Is it official? If so, there's some things to share with you, namely [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659524419286204471/765088659338690570/unknown.png this] section. A few things to note: Bow and Spear Moblins and Fire and Ice Wizrobes have their differentiators outside of parentheses (in TMC, the former two were in parentheses, as were both pairs in the PRIMA guide for this game). Normal Wizrobe actually has a proper picture, while Wisp and Bombarossa are AWOL. Stalfos, Igor, and Bubbling Lava are indeed Stalchild, Eyegore not-statue, and Lava Bubble. Rupee Wraith was mentioned in a blurb elsewhere, which is why it is not there. The ALttP section is set up similar to the SNES NP guide, and as such has no actual "enemy" section. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:45, 11 October 2020 (MDT)
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| <br>Continuation: However, there are dungeon and overworld sections; a header for Like Likes in the Palace of the Four Sword reads "ライクライクに要注意", with the section itself saying "真っ暗な部屋に, 何体ものライクライクがひそでいる." Meanwhile, a section regarding the new shield shop (grouped with Thieves' Town exterior, ie Village of Outcasts) has "ライクライクに注意すこと" in an image description. A reference for Pikit took a long while to find and even longer for me to parse thanks to the kanji, but a section for the item shop near Ice Lake and the Plains of Ruin (in the Swamp Palace exterior section) reads "ところでアイテム屋の前には, 盾を食べるライクライクがかならずいる." As such, they appear to both be ライクライク, unless the thing in front of the item shop is a "normal" Like Like in the GBA version. Curiously, the Misery Mire section has a screenshot of Swamola, but I cannot find it specifically named in the accompanying blurb, or anywhere else in that spread. Finally, the PotFS bosses are listed by the names of their origin with various ways of saying things such as "again" while the text refers to their typical names, so they aren't considered different, while the main bosses are called ダークリンク. Finally, Chain Chomps are still called ケルビン. (...I sincerely hope at this point this guide is officially licensed, because otherwise I just wasted several hours). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:41, 12 October 2020 (MDT)
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| :Ah well. I don't have any sort of online currency, so I only ever go with what free/leaked .pdfs I find. On the plus side, I got experience with deciphering kanji, so they're no longer the stonewall they were before. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:08, 20 October 2020 (MDT)
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| I've finally seen a blue Wisp on [https://youtu.be/vlmZwnZjw08?list=PLcdBWtSM0PCy5Caa7hsMEq34Uq8BOAE_x&t=1397 YouTube] (acting totally different from the TMC counterpart), though still no sign of any red ones. Does ''Hyrule Encyclopedia'' list both for FS? And if so, what does it say about them? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:55, 31 December 2020 (MST)
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| == NIWA discussion continuation ==
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| Hi LTL, so there are some discussions that I suppose could be continued from here, mostly NIWA stuff, as this is off Mario Wiki. I'm highly critical of NIWA, and I'm a very infamous person related to that organization (I haven't been a rep there since May 2019 when I was shooed out for being very blunt about Zelda Wiki & them not being independent, also getting in the Zeldapedia conflict -- it's honestly an era that I'd like to forget because it was some huge mistakes on my end). This discussion is going to get very long because it has been a very long journey for me with NIWA:
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| I don't mean to sound egoistical (and it does take a certain type of person to do this), but I'm the only person who has been brave enough to abruptly call out NIWA on their mismanagement. I've been in their private Discord, and it's very, very apathetic and incompetent. There's no real spirit for independent wikis -- I felt extremely disappointed because from the start I had high spirits for this whole thing & thought this was a group that shared that. They take months, sometimes don't even do anything, to make some sort of decision. I'm the kind of guy who's like "action, action, action", which is how I see it with Mario Wiki and its sibling, WiKirby. I can't live with inaction -- I need communities to continue serving and doing action.
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| Porplemontage's style (at least Mario Wiki-wise) is one that I've heavily replicated while doing wikis, such as this one. I'm basically a knockoff porple, but the biggest difference between me and him is probably that I'm extroverted. He doesn't say much and only maintains the backend of the wiki rather than doing major editing. I felt that he has a lot of untapped potential but doesn't use it, so I've been trying to apply the porple style to several wikis on several subjects (as said on your Mario Wiki talk). I'm not as experienced as porple, and my style is barebones (though his wiki SmashWiki is pretty barebones). He shared the whosonline with me before, and I've since given it for WiKirby to use. Lot of wikis I manage also make use of it.
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| November 2019 was the Zeldapedia incident, as I call it. At first I felt happy because I thought justice was being done to a wiki that was being wastefully closed (I remember seeing some people who were sad about Zeldapedia closing). I thought that porple was starting to agree to stand against NIWA, which I felt he had way enough leverage to go against since his wikis are the most successful within NIWA. Simply because some people complained, he closed the entire Zeldapedia, saying that if he were to reopen it, that it would have to be "re-evaluated after the zeldawiki vote". I was really upset at his idea of Zeldapedia.com, which I thought was promising, but he nearly tanked Triforce Wiki in the process.
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| I was also upset that he did not persevere despite the criticism -- so from an ethical standpoint he could've de-branded the Zeldapedia name and keep working with me to try and expand Triforce Wiki. I've come to where I am today from defying NIWA, SmashWiki, and others who wanted me to be a certain way. I did not want to be what others wanted me to be -- I wanted to do what was right and sacrifice my reputation and sanity in the process of calling out things where it's due and trying to find alternatives for others. Triforce Wiki is currently the only alternative, but some day I might work on bringing out some more for wikis that are very badly managed and essentially beyond repair (like Metroid Wiki).
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| This has led me down a spiral of struggles and some pain, but if it ultimately works in the benefit of others, I'm happy to have gone through it. My status is not what is important -- it's about giving everyone a fair chance at having a good, open wiki with a healthy community. Despite my tantrums & short-tempered nature, I am very strict from a moral standpoint -- I even tell off others for arrogance and condescending language.
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| Porple -- I used to be good friends with him for about a year, but SmashWiki is a wiki of his that I really don't like. The community (at least a few admins) there are too harsh, strict, and is infamous for pressuring others into abiding to NIWA, which they suck up to so much. Once I started a fight with SmashWiki (who are actually my least favorite NIWA wiki -- a lot more than Zelda Wiki, believe it or not), and that ended my friendship with porple. He quietly unfriended me back in April. The irony of all of this? I stick up for the Mario Wiki standard more than him (even the Mario Wiki admins) since I try and carry it over everywhere. It's not a who's good and who's bad game -- it's just an ironic observation.
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| One example of their inaction is a year or so ago, which is when I suggested a Rare Wiki branch to NIWA, but nobody cared & I could feel the "meh" attitudes in the air. Another time is when I mentioned ways that NWiki could be improved & point out some flaws, some of which they didn't care to fix. The most famous example is, as we know, Zelda Wiki. They have no real passion to stand up for the core values of independent wikis. Someone once said that I've done more for NIWA & independent within 1-2 years than the whole organization has done themselves. WiKirby and Lylat Wiki had new life breathed into them, Pikipedia had a major image cleanup, and so forth. Here are the NIWA wikis besides Zelda Wiki that I've had issues with and that I would definitely not mind having independent alternatives for:
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| *Bulbapedia -- I never joined them, but I do not like the fixed width display, the forced layouts (yea I had a friend edit there before, and he was reverted for simply changing a layout), and they're owned by [http://havamedia.com HAVAmedia], which is a corporate owner. They've done some extremely shady things before, and their former editor-in-chief (TTEchidna) has called them out for it in 2011.
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| *StrategyWiki -- Owned by Prodigon, he has bias toward this wiki over his other three NIWA wikis: Icaruspedia, Metroid Wiki, and Wars Wiki. I've told him numerous times about things such as the annoyance of being required to preview edits before saving (an option that he ticks for his wikis), layout that does not bring a comfortable experience for other users, and the spambot registration. He doesn't care about the spambots as long as they aren't editing. It's more than that -- it's about the recent changes piling up and making it difficult to determine whether an actual user registers in between. Simply put, he's incompetent and doesn't accept help outside of his own. Once I told him about Conker Wiki, and he said that "generally I encourage dead wikis to be merged into StrategyWiki" and linked me the CBFD page of StrategyWiki. I felt that was extremely condescending and I felt angry because I put love & care into making Conker Wiki from scratch. The first ever successful wiki that I've ever made from scratch.
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| *Metroid Wiki -- Dead as a doornail, Metroid Wiki has 5x or 6x less articles than Wikitroid. The reason is because of mismanagement -- in 2018 & 2019, I repeatedly said what needed to be changed. Prod, the host of StrategyWiki, also hosts Metroid Wiki. As I've said, he does not listen to when people point out obvious issues with wikis, because in the end, it's all about what he sees. I really wanted to make Metroid Wiki have an editable & enjoyable experience for everyone, but he didn't want to cooperate. I even showed "you can change these link colors in the meantime". He didn't add to the css, his excuse being that he needed to redo the entire css. Every bit counts though...
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| *NWiki -- A general wiki on Nintendo that does not have a comfortable UI and editing experience. User registration is closed, the wiki & the NIWA main site does not have https, and IP's can make edits but they need to wait for an administrator to "approve" of it first. Way too much gatekeeping, not to mention forced UI. No third party game pages are allowed either, which is also annoying. Porple owns the nintendowiki.com and nintendopedia.com domains and redirects it to NWiki. It's a minor disagreement I have, especially if the .com means that he owns both the Nintendopedia and Nintendo Wiki brands only to redirect to the mediocre NWiki. It feels anti-competitive to those who want to make a better alternative. Several times I have said that Nintendo's Fandom wiki is better, and hopefully there can be an independent wiki based on them some day.
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| *SmashWiki -- The very reason me and porple are no longer friends, and the very reason why I've lost so much to begin with. SmashWiki are arrogant pharisee-like characters. All they care about is law and order -- not about grace, sympathy, or compassion toward others. I made a mistake by intervening in the Zeldawiki/Zeldapedia merger in May 2019. People were disappointed & annoyed at me. It was fine until a bureaucrat demanded that everyone ruthlessly told others to disassociate with me for "ruining NIWA's image". I felt so angry -- like he was trying to rip away all my friends and what my true passion was -- independent wikis. I uncontrollably sent an extremely angry message to him with tons of swearing on SmashWiki. Others from NIWA wanted me removed entirely for interfering in the merger. I already admitted that it was a mistake that I made. They care more about the image of a petty organization than standing up for their core goal and reason for existing. Ironically their "pandering" to Zelda Wiki and Gamepedia is what is making NIWA's reputation decline dramatically. Incident aside, what affects the wiki on a more global level is their mismanagement of content. One admin does not like high quality images because he says it "slows load times". No other NIWA wiki I know of has taken issue with that. The wiki barely caters to casual Super Smash Bros. players and mixes in technical information with the casual information. It does not serve both sides of the fanbase properly. Others I've talked to also have SmashWiki for a least favorite NIWA wiki. It's the only bad wiki that porple hosts.
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| From all of this, the takeaway could be that I'm close-minded and selfish. Yes, that's what is shown on the front, but deep down I care for editors and fans and that they would have a good wiki home for the franchises that they love. This is why I went against NIWA's will and founded Triforce Wiki (cost me 550 dollars in 2019 and I'm minimum wage). Recently I have realized the benefit with alternatives, if it's justified and does not copy from the original wiki simply because someone wants "wiki power". Mario Wiki, Pikipedia, and WiKirby are great as-is, so none of them need an alternative and are something that (most) agree upon. Zelda has Triforce Wiki, so that's taken care of. So far, the only other NIWA wikis that could have a better alternative are Metroid, Nintendo, and Super Smash Bros. Bulbapedia is good with coverage, but the layout is inflexible, like NWiki and Zelda Wiki, so it doesn't feel like a solid editing experience. Trying a Pokemon wiki in a Mario Wiki style would be fun -- it could take inspiration from the Final Fantasy Wiki i've been helping develop for tacopill.
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| Me & friends are in charge of several wikis, and all of us make sure they live up to the Mario Wiki standard. There's already enough wikis outside of NIWA run by me & friends to justify a powerful alliance network (not organization with a website like NIWA -- just a webring and an about page to explain its purpose). The future could very well see alternatives to wikis that I mentioned earlier (this does not include StrategyWiki). [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 23:21, 23 July 2020 (MDT)
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| == Harla ==
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| A strange thing I noticed that I can't quite figure out: the Japanese names for two otherwise-unrelated undead bosses contain "ハーラ" (''Hāra'', potentially Hahra/Harla), being Jalhalla (Jai Hahra) and Stallord (Hahra Gigant). Closest thing I can find is "Hāra" being a Maori word for "sin," which while that admittedly fits for a culmination of the evil in a combination temple/tomb, a random New Zealand word seems a little far-flung. Do you have some insight into this? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:21, 1 September 2020
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| == Deku and Scrubs ==
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| While I'd personally assume we would do so, I'd like some input: should we treat the "Deku tribe" of Majora's Mask as being the same subject as typical Deku Scrub/Dekunuts? I'd remembered the Bombers calling Deku Link a "Deku Scrub," so I'd assumed it would count, though I'd wondered if it was more along the lines of how "Octarock" is specifically rock-spitters, while certain other "Octas" like Octaballoon, Daiocta, Octamine, Mizuocta, and the rather in-name-only Octaeel don't spit rocks (though of course plenty of other Octas still spit rocks...but I digress). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:32, 6 September 2020 (MDT)
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| == Shield Moblin ==
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| So I've been trying to determine if there is any reason to split "Shield Moblin" (focusing on the HW captain) from Moblin since other captain pages are to be split. Anyways, in SS, "Metal Shield Moblin" is "モリブリン (鉄の盾)" (as shown [https://youtu.be/3TJUfNm-5vc?t=286 here]) and in HW, "Shield Moblin" is "鉄盾モリブリン" (as shown [https://youtu.be/BN9VLaCm21A?t=8 here]). Since I don't like splitting identifiers, I'm not really comfortable splitting SS's. Nintendo Land's alleged "Shield Moblin" is not given a specific name in-game for any version, so it likely came from a guide (if it's not made-up completely). What I want to ask of you is if that one type of Moblin from ALBW has a specific name in any language (or for that matter, the "Sword Moblin" from LA got a new specific moniker in the Switch version to go along with its more advanced behavior). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:04, 6 October 2020 (MDT)
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| :To be honest I didn't even realize there were multiple types of shield-using Moblins in ALBW until I saw the color difference on ZW, and even ''then'' I didn't notice the weapon difference until just now that you've said it. Anyways, considering how unlike soldiers these seem to always be differentiated through (identifiers), I think keeping such cases merged is fine. Also, "Quick Moblin" is an in-game name, there's these Smash Trophy-esque awards. On that note, the archer type is the most consistently unique type to be lumped generically as "Moblin" by the game, always being beige and having a floppy hat. Does it just have the same model? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:59, 8 December 2020 (MST)
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| == Parasitic Tentacle and Dexivine ==
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| So a while ago, it can to my attention that Parasitic Tentacle and Dexivine have not-identical-but-strikingly-similar generic Japanese names. Combined with their similar role of winding through a dungeon connected to the top of a strikingly similar looking boss which they support and being cut with the boomerang, I was wondering if we should count them as the same thing or merely related. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:54, 19 October 2020 (MDT)
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| == Shrouded Stalfos ==
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| So a long time ago I noticed that Shrouded Stalfos's Japanese name is Dokuro Knight. Is there any reference in Japanese materials stating it's an actual Stalfos? I recall the Bottle Grotto hint added "skeletal" to the English script in the remake... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:35, 20 October 2020 (MDT)
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| :Hmm, curious....there's still the Bottle Grotto hint to look into, though. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:59, 8 December 2020 (MST)
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| ::I personally think that unless the Dreamer Art Book says otherwise, "Shrouded Stalfos" is still fine, since even with the differing adjective, it could still simply be a generic reference. Anyways, shall we consider "Stalrobe" enough to treat them as a true Stalfos variant? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:22, March 10, 2021 (MST)
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| :::Quite interesting! I'd consider the unused compendium thing to be a high-priority source (similar to ''Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric'' with its dummied out list of [https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Destruction_Troops Destruction Troop] names, since the feature was likely a last-minute cut). I also find it interesting that the model file names properly "translate" "skull"/"dokuro" to "stal" unlike the given name. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:13, March 19, 2021 (MDT)
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| == Keeleon ==
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| While not as important as most other subjects I ask you about, there's one thing gnawing at me right now. Do you have ''any'' idea what the heck Keeleon from ALBW and TFW is even supposed to ''be''? Most enemies in ALttP and ALBW actually look like something recognizable, but this doesn't really look like anything outside of obscure cnidarians. Is it based on some ''Yokai'' I've never heard of, perhaps? Going off shape, it miiiiight have initially had its model made for Pikit (which according to Zeldawiki is referred to by the ALttP+FS Shogakukan as ライクライク (亜種), making it indeed simply treated a minor variation of Like Like in the same manner as the different types of Spear Soldiers) only to be scrapped and used for something else, but that's still a long shot. ZW claims Keeleon's JP name is ネオリーク (Neo Leek?), which is ''almost'' close to "Neo Like" and could even be some sort of unholy cross of Like and Leever, but is also basically "Keeleon" backwards. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:07, 13 November 2020 (MST)
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| :Well I feel a tad silly for not thinking of that, considering the Jungle Beat "bat," and in fact I think I ''did'' figure it out ages ago and forgot. Thanks! [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:59, 8 December 2020 (MST)
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| == The "Monblin" ==
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| So previously, ZW had the club-wielding Moblin from OoT listed as Bossblin in JP, ie the same name as the Great Moblin. However, [https://zelda.gamepedia.com/Club_Moblin?diff=next&oldid=848290 an edit] that incidentally just happened yesterday has changed it to Oyablin, ie the name of Moblin Chief/Big Blin. Do you know which is right or if both are used in different texts? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:00, 1 December 2020 (MST)
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| == Re: Where Fallmasters Wall ==
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| For the most part I agree, though Key Masters seem more derivative of Floormaster to me, given they come from the floor and spidercrawl on it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:59, 8 December 2020 (MST)
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| :Sounds good to me. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:34, 31 December 2020 (MST)
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| == Re: Stal Force Zeroes ==
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| I regret to inform you that my only real exposure to that franchise is ''Super Mario Bros. Crossover'' and an overabundance of stuff about some flower pot character. Regardless, it does seem to me an intentional reference, unless "stal" is an obscure-out-of-Zelda Japanese slang for skeletal. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:59, 8 December 2020 (MST)
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| == Stalfos->Gibdo->ReDead? ==
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| Hello, I was wondering if you'd agree with putting Gibdo as a variant of Stalfos and ReDead in turn as a variant of Gibdo, the logic being that Gibdo started (and usually is in later fixed-camera appearances) a stronger counterpart to Stalfos, while ReDead started out as a weaker counterpart for Gibdo for their behavior in free-camera appearances. Currently, they are simply listed as relatives. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:03, 29 December 2020 (MST)
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| :They seem pretty different to me, as the functional difference is Warrior has a sword while normal Stalfos are bone-throwers. Admittedly, a lot of the devs were returning from ALttP (having previously returned for FSA), but Warrior seems a bit more like how ALttP Moblins became Boarblins for the GB games. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:34, 31 December 2020 (MST)
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| == Re: Kirby ==
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| My ban there didn't really make much sense, but there's a user that I dislike, Trig Jegman, and there was this Project Cleanup project that was enforced around WiKirby. Even the slightest of maintenance tasks had to be marked off on there manually when all Project Cleanup is are [[Special:SpecialPages]] lists copied over but without updates. He expects users to mark stuff off his list, and sure that does help keep track, but it can come across as counterproductive, especially on active wikis where new images, redirects, etc. are changed all the time. At least with special pages, the lists are automatically updated and removed. Manually updating the lists -- and therefore expecting others to manually mark things off -- is counterproductive and a waste of time.
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| I was the first person on Super Mario Wiki to rename files, and Trig took it to a completely different level. I never meant for it to go this far. He flooded the recent changes with renames that sometimes were plain unnecessary. I complained to Mario Wiki staff about [https://www.mariowiki.com/Special:Log/Trig_Jegman entirely unnecessary file renames]. For instance, moving File:Lakitu-NSMBU.png to File:NSMBU Lakitu Artwork.png isn't that necessary because the file name still describes that it's an image of Lakitu. Go even further and you'll find renames like File:Diddy Kong Racing - Midi fade (unused).png to File:DKR Unused Midi Fade Sprite.png . I fear that Trig would have not made Mario Wiki user friendly by essentially going around and enforcing his file naming views on others. He preferred listing game abbreviation first in a file name whereas me and a few others preferred listing the subject name first.
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| In some cases, [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:Greenfist_Wario_World_screenshot.png?action=history such as here], Trig would unnecessarily rename a file that I uploaded, so I renamed it back (although admins said it was unnecessary for the back and forth in general). In one case he [https://www.mariowiki.com/File:World_4-1_SMA_Flurries_screenshot.png?action=history ironically made the file name less specific]. There was nothing wrong with "World 4-1 SMA Flurries.png", but he moved it to "SMA World 4-1 Screenshot.png", and then I did it back. The only thing he made more specific is that it was a screenshot, but removed the mention of Flurries. Small and unnecessary excuses like that to rename a file. Renaming something like Luigi.jpg is more understandable since it's ambiguous file name, but a world 4-1 Flurries screenshot from ''Super Mario Advance'' should be specific enough on its own, even without the word "screenshot" in the title. I felt responsible for starting something that every other user did in moderation but Trig did too much of.
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| Around the time Doomhiker booted Trig from Super Mario Wiki's community (in March 2020), Trig decided he would take his projects elsewhere. He managed to be promoted to patroller/moderator on wikis such as WiKirby and Wars Wiki and even ambassador on WikiBound. The reason's for Trig's ban I did not originally agree with, but over time I began to see him as untrustworthy and as someone who was trying to rewrite the Mario Wiki policies to his liking under the guise of helping the wiki.
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| Okay, so back to WiKirby, in September, I publicly called out Trig for trying to enforce something unnecessary on the community. The main admin (Samwell) tells me in chat that I was being a bully (I was not trying to be though, even if I admittedly might have had a harsh tone) and that Trig was being safe harbored at WiKirby after his Mario Wiki ban. I'm probably looking too much into this, but I couldn't help but feel that Project Cleanup was an act of nepotism to "give Trig a second chance". In any case, it should be entirely someone's choice whether or not they want to help, especially since Special:SpecialPages exists. I even tried to explain Special:WhatLinksHere to Samwell, but he wasn't having it. He banned me for disrespectful behavior (for 3 months), and then an indefinite ban when I angrily insulted him and Trig on my talk page, which was then deleted. There's some more details, but I gave the main points.
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| I admit guilty for trying to enforce a Mario Wiki style on other wikis, ironically to make it more user-friendly. Seeing as NIWA isn't competent (and feels like the United Nations in that both call themselves an organization but have certain fields of overreach in each of the wikis [or countries if we're talking about United Nations]), I eventually found that it was Mario Wiki that I was for. I didn't want to see a Gamepedia wiki linked to on Mario Wiki, especially since Mario Wiki is the best and proudest independent wiki, and I felt it would contradict its proudly independent message.
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| My mistake was trying to fix NIWA all along. Rather than that, if I disagree with them a lot and that there's numerous things in which I think could be improved upon (that would not go through on the wiki), then the solution is making an alternative. This is why Triforce Wiki exists. So I've done a lot of wiki projects in respect to Mario Wiki (as it bothered me how behind wikis are). Takes a long time to build it all up, and eventually felt there were enough wikis to make a simple link exchange, especially to help keep track. I ensured it would not be a NIWA ripoff and would have its own unique wikis and build upon NIWA's flaws while also having its own originality. The main focus are smaller franchises like Crash or Banjo, although members like Final Fantasy and Triforce are still a part of it but are not the main focus (though ironically Triforce Wiki could qualify as the flagship seeing as a lot of the inspiration/history stems from this wiki). If anything, it's a link exchange of extended Mario Wiki-related (or similar) projects (not including NIWA ones like WiKirby because, well, it's in NIWA), and appeared to be the very goal I was working toward all this time. Communities outside Mario Wiki could join if they wanted to, but one of the main messages is the acknowledgement of Mario Wiki's universal flexibility and the goal to create and develop more wikis like it. I wanted to originally have Jiggywikki in NIWA, but due to NIWA's lack of interest, apathy, and incompetence (Zelda Wiki), I decided that it's not worth trying. I'm glad Jiggywikki did not end up being part of NIWA, as Gaming Wiki Network reflects what I've been aiming for all along. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 19:50, 30 December 2020 (MST)
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| :This is honestly something that I don't like to think about per discussion above. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 12:19, 2 January 2021 (MST)
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| ::It's actually not really affiliate-based but rather links back to another established wiki on the subject. Would be unfair for the community if my decisions were based on my biases. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 13:34, 2 January 2021 (MST)
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| ==Creating a Champion==
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| So this Christmas I received ''Age of Calamity'', ''Cadence of Hyrule'', and ''Creating a Champion'' (<s>and a whole mess of clothes</s>). Have you any knowledge or opinions as to how we should go about its text? Since it deaals almost exclusively with concept art, it's mostly like the relevant section of HH and as such is unlikely to have as much fancruft with it regardless, but a few things still pique my curiosity, such as the blights being identified as Phantom Ganons and the multiple ideas about the evolution of Gerudo ears (natural evolution from crossbreeding with Hylians or supernatural result of shame from producing Ganon?). (<s>Also I dang near squeed at seeing Goriya and Vire on the back of the Cadence package</s>) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:34, 31 December 2020 (MST)
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| == Almost Armos ==
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| Do you have any thoughts on whether the "Armos Warrior" from ''Oracle of Ages'' is an actual Armos? It bears a faint resemblance to Armos Knights, but its JP name is apparently "Mujūn," which makes me think of "Mujura" more than anything. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:33, 2 January 2021 (MST)
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| == Belligerent torch ==
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| So what do you think about naming for the obstacle torch that acts like the Stone Statues from the first game? Through our source priority, I think "Face Lamp" is the highest, but since the name is only relevant to LA I was wondering if we should use an alternative. The FS PRIMA guide uses "Blazing Watch Tower" which is more broad, and we could alternatively have "torch (obstacle)" (or a full merge to "torch (object)"). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:13, 14 January 2021 (MST)
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| == Re:gional English ==
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| I knew about that, but I think it'd be best to keep as-is. Spirit Tracks has a ''lot'' of differences, and ''Historia'' only uses the American ones. As for the robos, the last letter in the model number is supposed to match up with the first letter of the designation, which the Commonwealth English translations apparently did not pick up on and just used the JP ones. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:41, February 15, 2021 (MST)
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| == sorry if there are hiccups in connection ==
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| Sorry, this sometimes happens (I'm still saving up for dedicated hosting plan because currently on shared). In such cases, I recommend you copy your work before publishing so that you don't lose it. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 11:07, March 4, 2021 (MST)
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| == Boots in CoH ==
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| Footwear at least is fairly common as the same type of upgrade as torches, rings, and breakable weapons. There were Hover Boots, Iron Boots, Glass Slippers, some springy shoes, and a few other things. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:52, March 4, 2021 (MST)
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| :I don't really feel there's much reason to split the weapon types for that game more than any other. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:22, March 10, 2021 (MST)
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| ::I'd prefer to keep the most recent name regardless, though I see your point with the swords. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:29, March 14, 2021 (MDT)
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| == On the subject of Young Link ==
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| I have indeed noticed several publications for OoT (notably A&A) use "Young Link" or "Child Link" for the younger one and simply "Link" for the older one, which may stem from early development from before there was going to be a "younger" one. (Also thanks for taking care of the Flying Rooster thing, I kept meaning to and then forgetting about it.) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:17, March 10, 2021 (MST)
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| == Re: Loader ==
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| Was NP an actual full-time subdivision of NoA? Anyways, I figured it was coincidence particularly since he seems to have confused its manual description with Myu's. The Loader thing I suppose is possible. I assume "Auroda" was on your end? (Also nice job with all the item page today!) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:29, March 14, 2021 (MDT)
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| :Seems trivia-worthy I suppose, as long as the flaws are pointed out (ZW takes the accusation at face-value). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:13, March 19, 2021 (MDT)
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| == Re: Stard of Agony ==
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| Those are good points, though it seems the names differ in both English and Japanese, and the tuning fork design and sound differ enough to consider it a full replacement, a la Bounder and Gip from Kirby. They could have still used a rumbly noise, after all. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:13, March 19, 2021 (MDT)
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| == Re: LA Glossary ==
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| :I'd seen the chart, yes, loved. "K.K. Sniper." "Mini Zol" also confused me a bit, and I noticed several of those other oddities (EnemyGibdos, EnemyStoneHinox, EnemySoldier, Bomb Trooper, Lanmola)...anyways, the only one I'm unsure of what to do with is the aforementioned Mini Zol, since "Gel" has been used in-game in Cadence. I'm thinking we can give these strings a special level of priority between in-game and from-guide, because in this case, we at least know that people who were actually in development and/or localization created these names and most likely intended for them to be seen by players at some point in development. (Also I have no idea what the deal with "KoopaStuff" is...<small>I'll get back to you on the Hylian and capitalization things after I think about them a bit.</small>) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:43, March 22, 2021 (MDT)
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| == Hero's Key ==
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| As far as I can tell in FS itself, "Hero's Key" specifically refers to the level 3-type of key; the manual simply says "the three keys" as an umbrella term for the section header. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:21, 26 March 2021 (MDT)
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| == Hylians and other "precursor" civilizations ==
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| So, after thinking through it, I believe "Hylian" should refer to specifically the civilization descended from the Goddess Hylia's reincarnation, as that seems to be what it is used for (or at least initially). I cannot remember if ALBW mentions them in any capacity, however. On that subject, there are also the Mudora, Zonai, and other such civilizations that are only really present through relics, how should they be covered? Under 'implied characters?' [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:03, 27 March 2021 (MDT)
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| == Demon Tribe ==
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| So someone in the Discord brought up how many instances of "Demon Tribe" in the Japanese script of various games are omitted from the localized versions. I know Agahnim called it the "tribe of evil" when taunting Link and "Demon Tribe" is used to describe Ghirahim's swords in ''Hyrule Warriors'', but is there any notable other instances of it in Japan I should know about, and if so, does it connect to how enemies like Mo[l]blin and Goriya were initially described as "devils" and how Ganon's minions were said to be from the underworld? I figured a demon article wouldn't be a bad idea, but we'd need all the concrete info we can get. Of course, in ''Spirit Tracks'' and ''Skyward Sword'' they effectively drive the plot with all the "Demon King"/"Demon Lord" type of stuff, particularly in the respective backstory where a war against them culminated in the Demon King being imprisoned, but I digress. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:12, March 30, 2021 (MDT)
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| == RE: Say... ==
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| I don't know anything about the series at all sadly, and I'm already trying to carefully use the resources that I have with hosting (I'm still waiting for when I can afford upgraded hosting so that the connection to Triforce Wiki is more reliable). I'm not saying no, I'm just saying that maybe wait as a future possibility. [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 10:07, April 2, 2021 (MDT)
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| == Zelda's Adventure (in the Netherlands) ==
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| So, inspired by your LA list, I went through scans of the Dutch official CD-i magazine and compiled a [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick#Zelda.27s Adventure: The Legend of the Celestial Signs enemies|list of enemy names]] from it, and aside from a single miniboss is absolutely comprehensive in that regard (having an assortment of names not even ZeldaWiki has). However, some enemies are referred to in generic, lowercase (and Dutch) terms, like "reuzeninktvis" and "schildpadden" for a giant squid and sea turtle enemy, respectively. What do you think should be done regarding those? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:38, April 8, 2021 (MDT)
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| == Stalfaux ==
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| So a number of skeletal characters I am unsure of whether to consider Stalfos or not. These include the giant bosses Stallord and Skeldritch (who at least have association, but do not seem to have sapience...or feet), a reaper-like boss in a Gibdo-infested tomb in ''Zelda's Adventure'' named Malmord, as well as NPCs Gar & Dion, the "Piratians" (which itself may simply be a Subrosian-missing-the-point of a name), and their Cap'n. Stallord is also a hangup to me for clearly not being human, so it would make sense IMO to leave it on the same level as Stalkoblin, which I also do not consider a direct variant (though I consider Stalblind a Stalfos due to at least being sapient and presumably having been human(ish) at some point if his backstory at all relates to the original Blind's, though I'm digressing hard here). Have any thoughts of these? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:45, April 12, 2021 (MDT)
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| == Famicom-era Zelda mangas ==
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| Do you know if the two sets of mangas covering the two Fami-Com Zelda games (for a total of four mangas) published in "OnePack Comics" are official merchandise? Two of them seem to double as strategy guides by giving items, locations, and enemies bios throughout, though the fact that there's an actual story with Rumiko Takahashi-esque art (similar to what the Cagiva mangas did) seems to indicate its officialness above, say, the Million Publishing guide (the other has a kinda weird looking Link with a face a little too big for his head, and tends toward doing its own thing with the story). Additionally, the guidelike one gives separate sections for Fire Bago-Bago and Jermafenser II and has actual on-model solo art for the non-boss Great Palace enemies (those and Volvagia being the only ones really without due to how the final volume handled bosses). Note that the guide ones seem to have multiple authors, while the others are a work of a Ran Maru.
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| Anyways, I found all of these on archive.org:
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| *[https://archive.org/details/zelda_manga_loz_susumu_kobayashi/mode/2up ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' manga-guide]
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| *[https://archive.org/details/zelda_manga_aol_1_wan ''Link no Bōken'' manga-guide part 1], [https://archive.org/details/zelda_manga_aol_2_wan 2], [https://archive.org/details/zelda_manga_aol_3_wan 3]
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| *[https://archive.org/details/zelda_manga_ranmaru_1_loz ''The Hyrule Fantasy'' Ran Maru manga]
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| *[https://archive.org/details/zelda_manga_ranmaru_2_aol_vol1 ''Link no Bōken'' Ran Maru manga part 1], [https://archive.org/details/zelda_manga_ranmaru_3_aol_vol2 2], [https://archive.org/details/zelda_manga_ranmaru_4_aol_vol3 3]
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| I do see "(c) Nintendo" on the covers, but bearing in mind what Mister Wu said I wanted to be cautious. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:10, January 3, 2022 (UTC)
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| == Twilight Dark World ==
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| As I finally replaced my damaged nunchuck, I am starting a replay of TP anew (meaning activity here will probably increase from the nothing it has been). Right offhand, I notice highlighted references to Twilit Hyrule as a "'''world of shadows'''," "'''dark realm'''," "'''realm of shadows'''," etc. I recall HE and ZE listing TP as an appearance of the Dark World (akin to it sometimes being the "Evil Realm" or "Dark Realm"), so I was wondering if the Japanese script just called it the dark world instead of playing coy with syntax like the English one does. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:54, February 13, 2023 (UTC)
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| == Zol name meaning ==
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| Been meaning to ask this for a while. A jRPG I like, ''Phantasy Star IV'', has a slime enemy called [https://youtu.be/DZelfpM9Y90?t=7645 Zol Slug], which, when there are exactly two, fuse together into a giant "Meta Slug." Do you know if [[Zol]] has any actual meaning that would connect this to the extremely similar ''Zelda'' enemy? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:18, February 21, 2023 (UTC)
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