User talk:Results May Vary

Forking

So how much forking has been done for this site currently in comparison to how much is planned? I'd like to create a bunch of just-above stub articles for the main recurring enemies so thy can be filled in more conveniently, but don't want to interfere with that. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:36, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean by that? I moved the content off zelda.shoutwiki.com entirely. The whole site is off, and all the content not from hylian pi on zelda archive is preserved here. He gave me the pages and images to preserve here Results May Vary (talk) 01:43, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

I meant like the enemy pages that were on ZeldaArchive, mostly. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:45, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Zora

I think that Zoras probably should all be on one page, since the ones in OoT are based off the previous ones (just always friendly not usually ugly) and LBW has an extra-large amount of friendly versions of the Gillman-like ones. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:36, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Patra

Although NIWA Zeldawiki always called it a boss, in action, I don't see why it should be ranked any higher than Lanmola in that regard. I mean, they often appear multiple in a room, they don't seem to act as a boss like Dodongo does (which is degraded to generic more-than-one-in-room enemy later), and I don't think they ever roar (though I could be wrong there). They seem like just an enemy that has rather sophisticated behavior. Admittedly, "Eyesoar" (which is the same thing) in Oracle of Ages is a boss, but that's a different game. Note that "Patra" should still get name priority due to being from a manual. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:05, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me -- if you see any mistakes, I strongly encourage you to correct them--that's the whole point of wiki: properly cited facts and infromation. I'm actually counting on you to help me with name sources, since the Zelda naming is such a mess; i'm just trying to put all the names and sprites together on the Zelda 1, which has been taking me 1-2 days already to finish up. An example of a naming confusion is that Rocks is the name from in the Zelda 1 manual but they're listed under the Boulder page on NIWA Zelda Wiki Results May Vary (talk) 22:12, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Pretty sure "boulder" has been used in the same context in a game since then. Either way, they're both generic names. If LTL gets involved, he should be more helpful in that regard, since he has actual guidebooks (the only guidebooks I own are the inconsistent Dark Horse ones and the Tri-Force Heroes guide) and knows a significantly higher level of Japanese than I do. From what I can tell, the only Dark Horse-translated guidebook that didn't blatantly take from the various wikis (and the hilariously unreliable Zelda.com) was the first, Hyrule Historia, and it probably did less-obvious amount of that regardless. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:23, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Does Zelda have any other Super Mario Encyclopedia-type equivalents where they take names from wikis, causing citogenesis? Results May Vary (talk) 22:27, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Also i told LinkTheLefty about this place--he didn't seem interested. Results May Vary (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

The only ones I know are Arts & Artifacts and Zelda Encyclopedia. The latter most laughably blatant, rivaling SMBE. I legitimately wonder if ZD worked on that as well. Also yay, first edit conflict of the new wiki. :P Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:35, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Weee. Also regarding LTL and Doom, I think some editors would probably only join when there's more content for them to work with, or if the wiki proves its durability Results May Vary (talk) 22:38, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

I additionally should mention that the manual (or at last the Western one) doesn't really separate between enemies and bosses. Overworld and underworld enemies, but not enemies and bosses, which is a bit of a minor problem as Dodongo explicitly acts as both in the game. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:24, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Re:Since when was naming Canon?

Exactly. They act as if things can only have one "true" name. You know, despite synonyms and language/term evolution being a thing in both real life and fiction. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:50, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Note for when creating the species infobox

I'd mostly like it to be like the MarioWiki one. However, due to problems we've had regarding how relations between entities work, I'd say the relation parameters should be "variants" (for what is a subtype of another), "parent entity" or "variant of" (for the opposite), "relatives" (for what is clearly in the same group, but lacks as cohesive a relation as the previous two), and "comparable" (for ones that, while not clearly related, are still close enough to be linked to). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:36, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good, do you want to create it now or should i do it? Also thank you for helping fill in the blanks on the Legend of Zelda page -- you've already been a big help :) Results May Vary (talk) 01:54, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Well I mean if I did it I'd just be nicking the source code off of MarioWiki, and I haven't got whatever permission I need to do that as far as I can tell....also you're welcome, it's nice to have something to do that isn't the somewhat stressful preparation for final exams. (At the very least, only two of my classes actually have those this semester...) Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:01, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I'll go create it then. It would be located under Template:Species infobox when i do create it Results May Vary (talk) 02:06, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

All right then. ^^ Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 02:10, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Right, it's been created. Enjoy Results May Vary (talk) 02:21, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

OG Death Mountain

Perhaps "Labyrinth" since it appears in level-like quantities in later games, when "Labyrinth" is dropped as dungeons become more theme-based than maze-based. Nice tab icon, by the way, since it's now showing up as Triforce. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:48, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you -- I noticed a lack of a favicon, so i decided to add one in. I also did labyrinth for the zelda 1 dungeon names since that's the name used throughout the instruction manual Results May Vary (talk) 02:11, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Games Template

I personally dislike templates that separate console from handheld in "Main Games," unless it's a series that actually does seem to separate continuity that way. Zelda does not. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:56, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I just thought since Wikipedia organized it like, it would be understandable for the nav template to. maybe we can make a Console games and Handheld games category, as a category per system would have too few entries? Results May Vary (talk) 19:00, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

That would make more sense to me. Doing it in template just messes with the ordering IMO. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:02, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

So would we just simplify it into "Main series" in the template? Results May Vary (talk) 19:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I'd say so, or more accurately The Legend of Zelda series. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Aren't there spinoff titles in the series itself (like the CD-i games) Results May Vary (talk) 19:06, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

They don't have "The Legend of Zelda" in the title. I'd say they're in the franchise, but not the series. Quit a bit more removed than the Donkey Kong Land games were from the Donkey Kong Country games, that's for sure. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:07, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I'd personally be worried about The title "The Legend of Zelda series" stretching farther than Main series, even though as you said, it's more specific. I just worry about it being too ambiguous, what do you think (and tbh i confused franchise and series up to this point). Results May Vary (talk) 19:10, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

It is pretty long, which is probably enough to justify "Main series." It could also be abbreviated to "TLoZ series." Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 19:23, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Re:2nd Poison / Life Poison

Probably the same, since one's just a double version of the other, and milk works kinda like that in later games. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:14, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Suppose so, since thy do work different from the variously-colored "Potions" in ALttP and onwards. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Re: Pokemon Season 5: Master Quest/OoTGCN

I'd Have the full title for the disc and "Master Quest (mode)" for the mode itself, since last I checked the mode didn't go by the LozOoT title. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:26, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

I just went ahead and called it OoT Bonus Disc, as on TCRF. There's not really any clear title of what it's called (and nice strikeout haha) Results May Vary (talk) 05:56, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

The King

May you delete King Harkinan due to the King Harkinian page covering the same character? Doomhiker (talk) 19:47, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Oops, good catch. I didnt even notice that I originally created the page with a typo. Thank you Results May Vary (talk) 20:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Moldorm

I don't think these guys know what the hell they're doing anymore
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The official JP organization, on the other hand, is much more concise, splitting this into four fairly-different subjects instead of six inconsistently-different ones. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:36, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Wait, so there's four different Moldorms? Results May Vary (talk) 05:39, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes. Moldorm (guy from first game whose segments all look the same), Tail (crazy li'l guy), Big Tail (crazy big guy), and Moldworm (bigmouth underground guy). The later Magtail and Tailparasan take after Tail, while Twinmold and Molgera take after Moldorm. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 05:46, 6 May 2019 (UTC)